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Poll closed Question: Who will win the World Cup?
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Vasily Ivanchuk    
  14 (35.0%)
Ruslan Ponomariov    
  5 (12.5%)
Vugar Gashimov    
  2 (5.0%)
Alexander Grischuk    
  7 (17.5%)
Teimour Radjabov    
  3 (7.5%)
Peter Svidler    
  3 (7.5%)
David Navara    
  0 (0.0%)
Judit Polgar    
  6 (15.0%)




Total votes: 40
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Re: World Cup 2011
Reply #15 - 09/05/11 at 20:29:49
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I can't understand why Moro (one of my favourite players) as a first player offered a draw to Gris when he needed a win?!     Embarrassed
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Reply #14 - 09/05/11 at 19:34:12
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Anna Sharevich and Konstantin Landa.
  
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Re: World Cup 2011
Reply #13 - 09/05/11 at 18:19:54
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who provides the live comments at http://chess.ugrasport.com/ ?

  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #12 - 09/05/11 at 17:14:20
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Got to admire(?!) the way Sutovsky went about approaching a game where he just needed a draw with white.....
  
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Reply #11 - 09/05/11 at 15:37:19
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Unfortunately I cannot see the video you are saying (at work right now), but glad Navara made it to the next round..
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #10 - 09/05/11 at 15:23:40
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What an awesome final 16!
Polgar-Dominguez
Kamsky-Svidler
Ponomariov-Bruzon
Gashimov-Nielsen
Ivanchuk-Bu
Radjabov-Jakovenko
Zherebukh-Navara
Grischuk-Potkin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_World_Cup_2011#Section_7
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #9 - 09/05/11 at 13:40:54
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Excellent! Funny how Chessbase describe the scene as the apotheosis of gentlemanly conduct, rather than the dodgy practice it seems to have been...
  
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Reply #8 - 09/05/11 at 13:29:51
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Gamesmanship was not rewarded; Navara won the match in the tiebreaks.
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #7 - 09/05/11 at 12:22:56
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TN wrote on 09/05/11 at 08:21:55:


I'm not so sure. The FIDE laws of chess indicate that the touch-move rule only applies when a player touches a piece with the intent to move it. Therefore if a player accidentally touches a piece or knocks it over en route to moving another piece, the touch move rule does not apply to the accidentally touched piece.

If Moiseenko knew that Navara had accidentally (rather than with the intent to move) touched the king before the bishop, then either Moiseenko was not aware of this rule or was trying to distract Navara. If Moiseenko did not know this then the case is completely different. Personally I think Navara's decision to offer a draw was overgenerous since he had not breached any of the FIDE laws of chess, assuming that he did not touch his king with the intent to move it.

Now I hope Navara wins the match since based on my understanding of the events of the game, there was no need for him to offer a draw. I don't think Moiseenko would have held it against Navara if he had not offered a draw.


Completely agree - by the sound of it Moiseenko took advantage of the situation. Very bad sportmanship of him to even mention anything there.
  
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Reply #6 - 09/05/11 at 12:05:22
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I agree; it seems like gamesmanship rewarded, rather than sportsmanship.
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #5 - 09/05/11 at 11:48:44
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In the video (jump to 16:02, just after the Polgar interview), you can see Moiseenko play 35.Qe2 and Navara, seconds later, confidently play 35...Bd6 in a single fluid motion. There is no indication that he touched another piece, and certainly not intentionally. Then Moiseenko points at the king, and when Navara acts surprised, Moiseenko makes some sort of "whatever, never mind" gesture, and Navara calls over an arbiter. Then the camera cuts away.
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #4 - 09/05/11 at 08:21:55
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chk wrote on 09/05/11 at 08:00:33:
On a different incident:

Great sportmanship yesterday (read this article):

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7508

I got to check the final part of this game (as it was the last still played) - K+Q vs. K+R. Moiseenko was using a 'harassment defence' with his Rook separated from his King (trying to give annoying checks to the attacking King). At 2 points I was surprised that Navara did not choose an optimum (and obvious!) plan to break this 'harassment defence' (usually you try to control with your Queen the square from which the enemy Rook can check your King). He had 13' on his clock so not a terrible time trouble. From what I read in the article and my story above, I tend to believe that he was already thinking about a way to make or offer a draw..

Smiley for both players. Bravo!


I'm not so sure. The FIDE laws of chess indicate that the touch-move rule only applies when a player touches a piece with the intent to move it. Therefore if a player accidentally touches a piece or knocks it over en route to moving another piece, the touch move rule does not apply to the accidentally touched piece.

If Moiseenko knew that Navara had accidentally (rather than with the intent to move) touched the king before the bishop, then either Moiseenko was not aware of this rule or was trying to distract Navara. If Moiseenko did not know this then the case is completely different. Personally I think Navara's decision to offer a draw was overgenerous since he had not breached any of the FIDE laws of chess, assuming that he did not touch his king with the intent to move it.

Now I hope Navara wins the match since based on my understanding of the events of the game, there was no need for him to offer a draw. I don't think Moiseenko would have held it against Navara if he had not offered a draw.
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #3 - 09/05/11 at 08:00:33
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On a different incident:

Great sportmanship yesterday (read this article):

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7508

I got to check the final part of this game (as it was the last still played) - K+Q vs. K+R. Moiseenko was using a 'harassment defence' with his Rook separated from his King (trying to give annoying checks to the attacking King). At 2 points I was surprised that Navara did not choose an optimum (and obvious!) plan to break this 'harassment defence' (usually you try to control with your Queen the square from which the enemy Rook can check your King). He had 13' on his clock so not a terrible time trouble. From what I read in the article and my story above, I tend to believe that he was already thinking about a way to make or offer a draw..

Smiley for both players. Bravo!
  
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Re: World Cup 2012
Reply #2 - 09/03/11 at 15:53:35
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Can anyone explain the joke?
  
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Reply #1 - 09/03/11 at 08:15:29
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It's a weak joke by the Russian organisers, which ChessBase failed to pick up on when they copied and pasted the results from the official site for the report.
  
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