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Papageno Senior Member Offline FM Posts: 299 Location: Germany Joined: 06/12/08 Gender:	Re: Avoiding Jobava v Bareev in Caro Kann Classical Reply #1 - 09/08/11 at 16:17:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	Concerning 13.Kb1 0-0 14.Qe2 Qb6 15.Ne5 Rad8 or Rfd8. Yes, the two rook moves are looking just the same to me. Maybe, there is a little difference when 16.Ng6 doesn't hit the rook but Rfe8 at some point might be a useful move too. 13.Qe2 c5 (Schandorff) 14.Kb1. Well, it seems to me that Black gets normal play with both 14... Qb6 and 14... cxd4(N) 13.Qe2 0-0 (Houska) allows for 14. Nf1!? besides other lines. While Schandorff is very pessimistic for the black case here, Houska was completely ignoring this possibility. Truth is probably that Black has equal chances if he knows what to do. I think you can play both of the repertoire book moves after 13.Qe2. Admittedly, these books are not answering all questions and there are lots of other playable alternatives and new discoveries to be made. For instance go and look up what Schandorff had played himself in 2011 when faced with 13.Qe2. I think he came up with 13...Rc8!? but I might be mistaken. Those repertoire books are just the basis for my own repertoire and I'm used to finding some little holes or open questions (which I better explore at home than over the board) here and there. But, then there are also databases and TWIC and sometimes hints from the engines.


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Laramonet Senior Member Offline Gwyddbwll am byth ! Posts: 346 Location: Kidwelly Joined: 03/16/07 Gender:	Avoiding Jobava v Bareev in Caro Kann Classical 09/03/11 at 18:03:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hello All, I have played the Caro Kann for four years now using mainly Houska and then Schandorff as my guide. In the main line they both recommend the same move order to avoid the sacrificial game Jobava v. Bareev, that is 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 de 4.Ne4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 6.Nf3 Nd7 7.h4 h6 8.h5 Bh7 9.Bd3 Bd3 10.Qd3 e6 11.Bd2 Ngf6 12.0-0-0 Be7 13.Kb1 0-0 14.Qe2 Qb6 instead of 14..., c5 allowing 15.d5 ! After 14...., Qb6 both sources give 15.Ne5 Rad8. My first query is why this rook ? I can see that Ne5 hits f7 but wouldn't Rfd8 make more sense ? In other lines e.g. 15.c4 Rfd8 16.Ne5 c5, the more natural rook is moved to the d file. When considering 13.Qe2 Schandorff gives 13...., c5 but does not remark on what to do if White switches move order with 14.Kb1. Now 14...., 0-0 allows 15.d5! In trying to find other games in this position I've only come up with 14...., Qb6 15.c4 cd 16.Bc1 0-0 17.Nd4 Rfd8 18.Be3 Nc5 19.Nb3 Qc6 20.Nd4 Qb6 21.Nb3 Qc6 22.Nd4 1/2 - 1/2 Alavkin v. Harutjunyan. Is 14...., Qb6 the best plan for Black ? Houska answers 13.Qe2 with 13..., 0-0. This is consistent i.e. 14.Kb1 can be answered with 14...., Qb6. Does anyone have any experience of the positions after 14.Rhe1 Qb6 or 14.Ne5 c5 ? I'm not sure what to conclude from the different treatments of the same position. Houska seems consistent but why did Schandorff choose the other line without considering the move order to head back to the d5 sacrifice ? All the best !


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