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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #21 - 07/27/12 at 21:32:20
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kylemeister wrote on 07/26/12 at 20:54:51:
ErictheRed wrote on 07/26/12 at 19:44:15:

Huh, is that trendy again?  I've been playing it since Gallagher's old book The Saemisch King's Indian.  Chess fashion really does move in cycles!


I was referring to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 0-0 6. Be3 Nc6 7. Nge2 a6 8. Qd2 Rb8 9. Rc1; I wonder if you're talking about with the bishop on g5 (I thought you were an aficionado of that) ...


I've actually played both but that makes sense; it took longer for 6.Be3 and 9.Rc1 to catch on.  Anyway sorry to get off topic...
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #20 - 07/26/12 at 20:54:51
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ErictheRed wrote on 07/26/12 at 19:44:15:

Huh, is that trendy again?  I've been playing it since Gallagher's old book The Saemisch King's Indian.  Chess fashion really does move in cycles!


I was referring to 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 0-0 6. Be3 Nc6 7. Nge2 a6 8. Qd2 Rb8 9. Rc1; I wonder if you're talking about with the bishop on g5 (I thought you were an aficionado of that) ...
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #19 - 07/26/12 at 19:44:15
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kylemeister wrote on 07/26/12 at 16:34:08:
OT, but I have the impression that the KID section is also a good source on the trendy (well, maybe beyond trendy) 9. Rc1 in the Sämisch Panno, to which Giri today turned as White (alas in a losing effort) against Wang Hao (who played that other "Van Wely line" game as White against Bacrot) ...


Huh, is that trendy again?  I've been playing it since Gallagher's old book The Saemisch King's Indian.  Chess fashion really does move in cycles!
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #18 - 07/26/12 at 16:34:08
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OT, but I have the impression that the KID section is also a good source on the trendy (well, maybe beyond trendy) 9. Rc1 in the Sämisch Panno, to which Giri today turned as White (alas in a losing effort) against Wang Hao (who played that other "Van Wely line" game as White against Bacrot) ...
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #17 - 07/26/12 at 05:36:42
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I'm a subscriber to the KID section and there are several annotated games in the Van Wely variation  Wink

Vigorito call's 10.g3 white's most dangerous alternative to 10.Re1 in his book "Attacking Chess: The King's Indian"
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #16 - 07/26/12 at 04:23:21
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The official Biel site has the video interview with Giri. His preparation was very impressive. He created a novelty on move 25 after studying correspondence games and Van Wely-Bacrot. He said that with best play, Black could probably draw in one line. But even so, I think we will see much more of 10.g3 with f3 to follow.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #15 - 07/26/12 at 03:27:50
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Giri:  "Managed to win a nice game today after Bacrot reacted badly to my new, but pretty harmless idea."

I kind of like the idea that the old (pre-1995 or so) main move may be the "hot new line."

  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #14 - 07/25/12 at 17:28:41
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10,g3 has scored two out of two for white in the Biel tournament. Giri just beat Bacrot with it. This may be the hot new line!
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #13 - 10/31/11 at 12:41:29
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notyetagm wrote on 10/18/11 at 00:54:22:

Where can I go to find out information about what GM Baburin in Chess Today 3996 calls the "Van Wely Variation" of the Bayonet Attack, 10 g3 ?

Difficult to imagine a better source of information than the main site ChessPublishing.com, assuming you are subscribed to the KID section.
I'm surprised that no-one thought to mention it, too obvious, perhaps? Roll Eyes
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #12 - 10/31/11 at 09:16:21
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Just Re1 surely? Whites knight almost always ends up on g5 (on its way to e6) so an extra tempo when that happens isn't going to hurt him!

Suppose you could try 10 .. Bh3 11 Re1 h6 or some such. Slow, and still a real risk of the h3 bishop getting swapped off.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #11 - 10/30/11 at 21:15:55
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That is an interesting line and van Wely's record is quite impressive: +12 - 6 = 4 or about 64%. 

But what is the refutation of 10. ... Bh3 ? Everyone plays 10. ... f5.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #10 - 10/30/11 at 08:10:00
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Perhaps it's unfair of me, but I tried it out in a couple of blitz games and won handily. It seems to have several things going for it:

  • It seems not to have been analysed to death by the KID specialists on ICC (and by inference, the generic OTB player rated ~2200)
  • Apparently, it really does slow down Black's K-side attack,  and when that happens Black often can't come up with a coherent plan (the top-flight games already mentioned in this thread show how Black almost breaks through, but seems to be just a bit short in terms of speed and force.)
  • It gave me (the White side) the sort of psychological boost I often feel I'm competing against when my opponents play their pet KID variations.


I haven't decided yet, but I may well try this out in a serious OTB game soon.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #9 - 10/29/11 at 23:18:16
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I dont play th g3 line myself. But the way Van Wely puts away a guy rated at least a 100 point above is impressive every time. Though I must add that if I know my opponent plays this line I dont play a KID.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #8 - 10/29/11 at 00:26:54
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Yeah. In lieu of a Kramnik-Radjabov theoretical debate on the merits of the KID Bayonet, we at least have Van Wely-Radjabov. And apparently, we'll have it again next year at Wijk aan Zee.

Despite Kramnik's experiment with g3, I'm still not sure about whether to spend the time adding that to my repertoire. It just feels like a very temporary fix.
  
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Re: Information on Van Wely line of Bayonet Attack??
Reply #7 - 10/19/11 at 10:57:38
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notyetagm wrote on 10/18/11 at 00:56:46:
Here is probably Van Wely's most important win in this line, against World #1 KID player Radjabov:

Iirc he did that with Radjabov a couple of years in a row at Corus.
  
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