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saubhikr Senior Member Offline Chess is a cruel game but I still love it Posts: 332 Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA Joined: 10/29/06 Gender:	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #41 - 02/03/12 at 16:57:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Vass wrote on 02/03/12 at 08:15:28: Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/02/12 at 21:27:58: I like how the book uses the tree variation rather than complete games; it seems to save more space for analysing the actual details of the variations rather than spend space on the full game score. I always liked this approach, too.. It's way better than presenting the material in complete games where even endgames are analyzed by the author. The latter can be useful for the beginners, I agree.. But it's an opening book after all. Buy the game format actually help one to understand the move and how teh position plays into it. Just the move will be like reading a song, rather than listening to it.


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Vass God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1105 Joined: 06/22/11	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #40 - 02/03/12 at 08:15:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 02/02/12 at 21:27:58: I like how the book uses the tree variation rather than complete games; it seems to save more space for analysing the actual details of the variations rather than spend space on the full game score. I always liked this approach, too.. It's way better than presenting the material in complete games where even endgames are analyzed by the author. The latter can be useful for the beginners, I agree.. But it's an opening book after all.


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #39 - 02/02/12 at 21:27:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	I like how the book uses the tree variation rather than complete games; it seems to save more space for analysing the actual details of the variations rather than spend space on the full game score.

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #38 - 02/02/12 at 17:26:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	derdudea wrote on 02/02/12 at 09:31:16: I´m sure it will be one the best repertoires against 1.d4 (and c4 and Nf3) available. For me, it´s not good - I got some nice correspondence chess wins with black from because people allowed entering the Noteboom due to a lack of decent opening books covering ist. I guess, some of them will stop doing so and others will be much better prepared. It seems you're convinced that the Noteboom is bad for White. I'm not. Completely independently of current theory, I think that some sort of strong line of play will eventually emerge for White. In fact, this book may hasten its arrival. My point of view is that White is White, and he has played nothing but good moves. Black on the other hand, tsk. But Sherbakov's contributions on Chess Publishing have been so impressive that I'm sure this will be a great book.

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derdudea Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 176 Location: Germany Joined: 10/03/08 Gender:	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #37 - 02/02/12 at 09:31:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	I´m sure it will be one the best repertoires against 1.d4 (and c4 and Nf3) available. For me, it´s not good - I got some nice correspondence chess wins with black from because people allowed entering the Noteboom due to a lack of decent opening books covering ist. I guess, some of them will stop doing so and others will be much better prepared.


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #36 - 02/02/12 at 03:25:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	I just saw the excerpt on the Everyman website. It looks like a very detailed repertoire book with a lot of variations, and over 400 pages.

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #35 - 02/02/12 at 01:51:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't think that's right, since 3.Nf3 c6 4.g3 must lead either to a closed Catalan, a Stonewall (against which a Catalan player must play anyway), or 4...dxc4, a dicey line whose merits may be debated, but which to me seems promising for White.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #34 - 01/31/12 at 08:30:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	saubhikr wrote on 01/29/12 at 04:38:43: I am seeing a lot of fear on Catalan while discussing these lines. Fear may be a strong word but that's what it felt like. Is it really so or we are just overemphasizing something or sharing personal choice. Fear is probably too strong a word. But one of the benefits of this line is that it dulls the Catalan as a weapon. That's an important feature that needs to be pointed out.


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saubhikr Senior Member Offline Chess is a cruel game but I still love it Posts: 332 Location: Milwaukee, WI, USA Joined: 10/29/06 Gender:	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #33 - 01/29/12 at 04:38:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am seeing a lot of fear on Catalan while discussing these lines. Fear may be a strong word but that's what it felt like. Is it really so or we are just overemphasizing something or sharing personal choice.


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #32 - 01/25/12 at 12:35:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	We both meant 1...e6, of course. You may be right. My point was that learning the Noteboom-Marshall is a lot of work if your main goal is to reach a Stonewall. If I myself were a Stonewall player, I would probably play 1...f5 and tough it out in 2.d3 Nc6 3.d4 e6.
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moahunter Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 59 Joined: 05/10/09	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #31 - 01/24/12 at 03:54:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm surprised at the recommendation of the stonewall after e3 when Nf3 hasn't been played. In Lubomir Ftacnik's d4 repertoire he gives a simple set up for white to play, based on Lautier, J - Tregubov, F (19.06.2004) that looks a very easy and effective system for white (Bd3, Qc2, Nge2, f3, 0-0...)


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #30 - 01/24/12 at 02:34:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seth_Xoma wrote on 01/21/12 at 02:31:52: Markovich wrote on 01/08/12 at 13:33:08: It may be worth noting that Shulman, a major Triangle practitioner, only plays it after 3.Nc3. If 3.Nf3, he plays 3...Nf6, allowing the Catalan, and if then 4.Nc3, he plays 4...dxc4, which usually turns into a Vienna. Secondly, if anyone plans to use the Triangle move order to avoid the Catalan, after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c6 4.g3, he has to play 4...dxc4. Because 4...f5 becomes the main line of Stonewall, and if he allows that, he might just as well play the Stonewall in the first place and forget the Triangle. Personally I think that most Catalan players would be happy to see 4...dxc4. I faced it as White once and won fairly easily from a position that my books claimed was equal. What if White enters the Catalan from a 1.Nf3 move order and Black doesn't want to play against 1...f5 2.d3? The are various answers to that, suppoing 2.d3 to be worth avoiding, that don't require Black to learn both the Stonewall, the Noteboom and the Marshall. 1...e3 is one, am I wrong?

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #29 - 01/24/12 at 02:34:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seth_Xoma wrote on 01/21/12 at 02:31:52: Markovich wrote on 01/08/12 at 13:33:08: It may be worth noting that Shulman, a major Triangle practitioner, only plays it after 3.Nc3. If 3.Nf3, he plays 3...Nf6, allowing the Catalan, and if then 4.Nc3, he plays 4...dxc4, which usually turns into a Vienna. Secondly, if anyone plans to use the Triangle move order to avoid the Catalan, after 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c6 4.g3, he has to play 4...dxc4. Because 4...f5 becomes the main line of Stonewall, and if he allows that, he might just as well play the Stonewall in the first place and forget the Triangle. Personally I think that most Catalan players would be happy to see 4...dxc4. I faced it as White once and won fairly easily from a position that my books claimed was equal. What if White enters the Catalan from a 1.Nf3 move order and Black doesn't want to play against 1...f5 2.d3? The are various answers to that, suppoing 2.d3 to be worth avoiding, that don't require Black to learn both the Stonewall, the Noteboom and the Marshall. 1...e3 is one, am I wrong?

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derdudea Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 176 Location: Germany Joined: 10/03/08 Gender:	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #28 - 01/21/12 at 22:55:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Zwischenzugzwang wrote on 01/21/12 at 11:04:46: I'm sure, very soon FIDE will prohibit all transpositions! Oh yes, please. You´re both right. the line occurs after 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Nf3 dxc4 or 1.Nf3....3.c4... The transposition to the french of course only occurs after 1.Nf3, I mixed this up.


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Zwischenzugzwang Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing & chess pubs! Posts: 380 Location: Zotzenbach Joined: 06/14/11 Gender:	Re: Scherbakov Book on Noteboom,Marshall Gambit Reply #27 - 01/21/12 at 11:04:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm sure, very soon FIDE will prohibit all transpositions!

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