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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #6 - 04/03/12 at 08:14:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich wrote on 04/03/12 at 02:00:16: In a forum devoted to politics, all civil speech should be permitted. It does far more harm to try to suppress ideas than it does to confront them with reasonable opposition. Agreed and on the subject of free speech I also dont see why it would warrant a prosecution. Quote: People are all mixed up about Islam, that's for sure. One thing I do find irksome is that so much contempt is directed toward the Arabs and the Islamic world by people who would jump to the ceiling if you said analogous things about the Jews. But either way, better to allow even the worst ideas if decently expressed than to suppress them. Unfortunately the opposite also is true. You should see our Socialist party (NOT labour party) at demonstrations pro-Palestine. However what I find far more threatening than hate speech is the way the press is currently working (or maybe always has). They are more and more reporting according to their political preferences. Fair and balanced is a good example, but I could give similar if opposite examples from here. The weirdest one of that was an attack at a mosque in Brussels, where interest died out as soon as it became clear that the perp was a muslem himself.

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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #5 - 04/03/12 at 02:00:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	In a forum devoted to politics, all civil speech should be permitted. It does far more harm to try to suppress ideas than it does to confront them with reasonable opposition. People are all mixed up about Islam, that's for sure. One thing I do find irksome is that so much contempt is directed toward the Arabs and the Islamic world by people who would jump to the ceiling if you said analogous things about the Jews. But either way, better to allow even the worst ideas if decently expressed than to suppress them.

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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #4 - 04/02/12 at 19:23:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Then you misunderstand the discussion. I'm hoping most people would point out that the proposal goes against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In the United States, they would point out that it goes against the Constitution. People would point out the benefits of cultural diversity, and so on. The discussion would not be about how to violate human rights, but the importance of upholding human rights. If the discussion were to dissolve into hate speech, I would censor it.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #3 - 04/02/12 at 18:48:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 04/02/12 at 13:30:47: Personally, I would rather see it openly and reasonably discussed, A reasonable discussion on how to violate human rights sounds like a contradiction to me.

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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #2 - 04/02/12 at 13:30:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'd need to know more about the forum before making a decision. If the forum specialized in political discussions, I may well leave it. Deportation is a legitimate political issue in some nations. Members of Congress have suggested deporting entire groups of people in the United States. The suggestion alone is not out of bounds in political discourse. Personally, I would rather see it openly and reasonably discussed, showing how such a sentiment is wrongheaded than to shut it down. I'd also need to see what the responses to that post were. If someone were to make the argument here, I would wait to see whether the post incited hateful comments before shutting it down. But I have a high opinion of the people who make posts here. Most people here respond thoughtfully.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: What should be the limits of free speech? Reply #1 - 04/02/12 at 10:24:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	I would delete it (and if possible prosecute the poster) because of threatening/insulting an entire group of people within society. The proposal is illegal btw. Muslims (or whatever) with the British nationality cannot be deported from the UK. So a Godwin is not out of place. I suspect the poster is inspired by a certain Dutch politician: http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/wilders-calls-mass-deportation-muslims

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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1977 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	What should be the limits of free speech? 04/02/12 at 09:14:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	A post on the comment board underneath an article (about judicial decisions and national security) in a major UK daily newspaper today states: "How about deporting all muslims." It has 20 "recommends". If you were the board's moderator, would you remove the post or allow it to stand, and what would be your reasoning?


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