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proustiskeen YaBB Moderator Offline Hello from Omaha! Posts: 682 Joined: 08/11/08	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #8 - 05/06/12 at 20:54:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	In abstraction, I have no problem with asking for opinions on positions at move 3. But Belka is basically asking us to play the game for him. At the least, he's asking us to be his unpaid research assistants. It may not be against 'the rules,' but it's surely unethical.


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #7 - 05/06/12 at 19:37:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/06/12 at 18:35:25: Well, most sites, such as chess.com, gameknot, and others explicitly state that outside assistance is against the rules. Even ICCF, which allows the use of engines, requires a delay of at least three moves in publishing any live games anywhere on the internet. Even then, it requires that the opponent and TD officially agree. So far, every site that I have checked have some sort of prohibitions on posting live games on the internet or asking for assistance. This may regard to the endgame position (see endgame forum) posted by Belka where he really asks for a current position. But here: 3...Be7 - just one of the many "what should I play against"-threads, nothing else...


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Caissafan YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing ... sometimes! Posts: 20 Joined: 05/03/12	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #6 - 05/06/12 at 18:53:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/06/12 at 17:53:44: Most people consider it unethical to help out another player in an ongoing game. What I had to say in this regard in polite, friendly manner is following: using healthy mind it doesn't matter discussing positions on move 3. Healthy mind! And: it doesn't matter what a single person had to say about. What really matters is what tournament rules say! And they are changing again and again. It's simple, very clear. That's why back to the drawing boards ... Quote: If you are interested, you could research the forums here for information regarding this variation. It's not as quick a fix as just starting a new thread, but Dom and I have helped to make it a bit easier by including the ECO code in each of the threads on the French. Sounds fine but 3 things stand in the way: 1. All threads in past are more or less pretty old. 2. What I learnt in CC over decades is there isn't any true ECO system in the world. Having a look on that I always observe more or less differences. 3. I did a such search here and found only that: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?action=search2 Pretty poor ... So I do hope yet on some intentioned comrades ...

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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #5 - 05/06/12 at 18:35:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, most sites, such as chess.com, gameknot, and others explicitly state that outside assistance is against the rules. Even ICCF, which allows the use of engines, requires a delay of at least three moves in publishing any live games anywhere on the internet. Even then, it requires that the opponent and TD officially agree. So far, every site that I have checked have some sort of prohibitions on posting live games on the internet or asking for assistance.


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #4 - 05/06/12 at 18:18:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	First of all I don't think it's unethical to ask about 3...Be7 even if he posts the whole game played at the moment. It gives us an idea what is going on in his mind... I tried two moves against 3.Nd2: 3...a6 and 3...Be7 in two corr. games. The first one is finished (3...a6) and I lost it; the second one 3...Be7 is still in progress but I am far from being satisfied with my position. In both games my opponents played an approach with Bd3 and then exchange on d5 and c5 which on the surface looks easy for Black, but if you look deeper does not offer any real counterchances (even if White is only very slightly better - I therefore lost the 3...a6 game, because I was pushing too hard with Black to create something). During both games I would have been happy, if my opponents would have closed the centre with e5, thus giving me a kind of improved Advance French.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #3 - 05/06/12 at 17:53:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	Most people consider it unethical to help out another player in an ongoing game. If you are interested, you could research the forums here for information regarding this variation. It's not as quick a fix as just starting a new thread, but Dom and I have helped to make it a bit easier by including the ECO code in each of the threads on the French.


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Caissafan YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing ... sometimes! Posts: 20 Joined: 05/03/12	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #2 - 05/06/12 at 17:21:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 05/06/12 at 13:16:24: Caissafan wrote on 05/06/12 at 13:09:10: That's another run in same matter. My opponent threw down the gauntlet playing 3...Be7. Well, the main moves are 3...c5 and 3...dxe4 which I'm pretty familiar with. But this reply is challenging me. What do think about this case? Any very recent and promising ideas? Thank you! Is this an opponent in an ongoing correspondence game? Ah, a fast reply intending to help out-fine ... Yes, it is. And no, there isn't any relevance because just asking for recent opening theory on move 3, nothing else. You surely forgot: do you have any idea in this regard?

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 Reply #1 - 05/06/12 at 13:16:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	Caissafan wrote on 05/06/12 at 13:09:10: That's another run in same matter. My opponent threw down the gauntlet playing 3...Be7. Well, the main moves are 3...c5 and 3...dxe4 which I'm pretty familiar with. But this reply is challenging me. What do think about this case? Any very recent and promising ideas? Thank you! Is this an opponent in an ongoing correspondence game?

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Caissafan YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing ... sometimes! Posts: 20 Joined: 05/03/12	C03: French on side roads with 3.Nd2 Be7 05/06/12 at 13:09:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	That's another run in same matter. My opponent threw down the gauntlet playing 3...Be7. Well, the main moves are 3...c5 and 3...dxe4 which I'm pretty familiar with. But this reply is challenging me. http://chessflash.com/releases/latest/ChessFlash.swf%26quot;%20width%3D%26quot;1...;">Download game in pgn format What do think about this case? Any very recent and promising ideas? Thank you!

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