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Question: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand Title Match?


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Anand by 2 or more 36 (37.1%) Gelfand by 2 or more 1 (1.0%) Anand by 1 41 (42.3%) Gelfand by 1 9 (9.3%) Anand in a Tie-break 4 (4.1%) Gelfand in a Tie-break 5 (5.2%) The match will be cancelled. 1 (1.0%) Total votes: 97 « Last Modified by: Smyslov_Fan on: 05/08/12 at 15:52:16 »

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ANDREW BRETT God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 622 Joined: 07/07/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #83 - 05/16/12 at 07:58:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	Another tame game ! Vishy's prep was very convincing. 4 e3 doesn't look like it gives any advantage. I don't really know why Gelfand went into this line as most Black moves were natural and easy to find.


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #82 - 05/15/12 at 22:03:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	MartinC wrote on 05/15/12 at 20:48:47: Think that'd make it far too much a test of phsyical/mental stamina than is entirely healthy 24 seemed to work nicely and say 16/18 probably enough to work well. 12 is a bit short. Perhaps unless they add €2.000.000 more to the prize funds for both winner and loser? I would play 64 games to win a few million €, even if I lose the series

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belgian Full Member Offline Passionate about chess and poker... Posts: 129 Location: Toronto Joined: 05/14/07 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #81 - 05/15/12 at 21:26:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Matemax wrote on 05/15/12 at 16:38:55: Continue with the "active" Grünfeld and risk a loss (close enough yesterday)? I agree that continuing the Grunfeld is potentially a high risk choice for Gelfand. Although, AFAICT, Gelfand was actually fine from the opening in Game 3 and could have made his life much easier had he found the computer-favored 23. - Nb6!.


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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2110 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #80 - 05/15/12 at 20:48:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	Think that'd make it far too much a test of phsyical/mental stamina than is entirely healthy 24 seemed to work nicely and say 16/18 probably enough to work well. 12 is a bit short.


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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #79 - 05/15/12 at 20:30:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	How about 64 games, one each day consecutively, for 64 squares on the board? It sounds excessive, but if there is a majority winner it will clearly indicate how much better one plays than the other based on the size of the majority of winning percentage.

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Katalyst Full Member Offline Posts: 128 Joined: 10/01/07	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #78 - 05/15/12 at 20:19:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	lets face it, 12 games is too short. It shouldn't come down to 1 decisive game, or rapid like you say.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2924 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #77 - 05/15/12 at 19:26:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ah yes, decide the World ch by a rapid play, didnt we have that before? Lets hope it doesnt happen again.


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Katalyst Full Member Offline Posts: 128 Joined: 10/01/07	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #76 - 05/15/12 at 17:11:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	MartinC wrote on 05/15/12 at 15:44:06: That'd be touchingly old fashioned No its rapid tie breaks if required. darn kids these days, with their music...this would still suit Anand though I guess.


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #75 - 05/15/12 at 17:04:47	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=7C5045545C5049310 link=1336440203/74#74 date=1337101054] Well - "turning up the heat" or "running into your opponent's knife"? [/quote] Well, in game one it looked like Gelfie had the chance to grind away with a small advantage - though still a likely draw, but he chose another line that more or less secured the draw. Still, if you get an edge with black you should at least [i]try[/i] to win - [i]if[/i] you want to win the match.


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #74 - 05/15/12 at 16:57:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote author=03363B1D32343F3E39570 link=1336440203/72#72 date=1337100528]So far it looks even :) But I still think Anand will win 2-0 as he's capable of winning with both colours. Surprisingly, Gelfand has actually had some chances to turn up the heat a little as black but never really tried so far. Maybe he's hoping to lull Anand into over-confidence and then suddenly strike out with black?[/quote] Well - "turning up the heat" or "running into your opponent's knife"? Anand may like to see Gelfand risking something - GM Timman was suggesting a knight sac in game 3 - it looked interesting, but in the end...? - Win by provocation?


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2924 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #73 - 05/15/12 at 16:55:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'd agree its even stevens. I don't think you can say Anand has been pressing Gelfand more than Gelfand pressing Anand - in the game where Anand ended up having his best chance (the f3 Grunfeld) he was in huge time pressure to get there and it could have been a different story completely quite easily. We are down to 8 games now, so its a bit like `poker really, first one to lose his nerve is in big trouble...


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TalJechin God Member Offline There is no secret ingredient. Posts: 2892 Location: Malmö Joined: 08/12/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #72 - 05/15/12 at 16:48:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	So far it looks even :) But I still think Anand will win 2-0 as he's capable of winning with both colours. Surprisingly, Gelfand has actually had some chances to turn up the heat a little as black but never really tried so far. Maybe he's hoping to lull Anand into over-confidence and then suddenly strike out with black?


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #71 - 05/15/12 at 16:38:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think Gelfand will have a headache for his next Black game. Continue with the "active" Grünfeld and risk a loss (close enough yesterday)? Admit that the Grünfeld is not safe enough and play the Slav - then getting passive positions where he will be tortured for hours? My prediction: Anand will win the Championship with the one and only decisive game Nr. 7!


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #70 - 05/15/12 at 15:57:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	While I agree that in general that a string of draws favors Gelfand, the narrative of the match after four games doesn't. As White, Anand is seriously probing Gelfand's Grunfeld, and as Black (so far), he is holding comfortably. If that narrative continues, Gelfand will continue to find himself in uncomfortable positions as Black and not doing much to hold his own serve. If this were an 8 game match, Anand may be worried now. As it is, Anand should be feeling fairly comfortable so far. He's playing himself into form. If there are no decisive results after eight games, Anand may consider changing his strategy. But I don't know exactly what he'd do differently in the opening.


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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2110 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #69 - 05/15/12 at 15:44:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	That'd be touchingly old fashioned No its rapid tie breaks if required.


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