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Question: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand Title Match?


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Anand by 2 or more 36 (37.1%) Gelfand by 2 or more 1 (1.0%) Anand by 1 41 (42.3%) Gelfand by 1 9 (9.3%) Anand in a Tie-break 4 (4.1%) Gelfand in a Tie-break 5 (5.2%) The match will be cancelled. 1 (1.0%) Total votes: 97 « Last Modified by: Smyslov_Fan on: 05/08/12 at 15:52:16 »

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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #98 - 05/17/12 at 03:51:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	I do not think the players think it is boring when they play their games. If I were at that stage, which will never happen, I would fathom that I would feel very nervous in the beginning matches, because losing would cause a severe drop in momentum for the amount of games in the future rounds. I would rather play solid than try to play the Botvinnik Semi-Slav and Mar Del Plata in the first few games. I do not think most in this forum, if spectators were watching their games, would think to themselves, "People are watching, I should probably play like a lunatic every game to get an extremely unclear position, with the sole objective that the spectators are entertained."

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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #97 - 05/17/12 at 03:43:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	I am certainly not getting up at 7 A.M. for these games. Where is there a sleepy smiley face?


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #96 - 05/16/12 at 16:37:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	I say calm down. The match is only one-third of the way through. The best is yet to come, I am sure.

	"Breakthrough results come about by a series of good decisions, diligently executed and accumulated one on top of another." Jim Collins --- Good to Great
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fling God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1591 Joined: 01/21/11 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #95 - 05/16/12 at 14:17:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 05/16/12 at 13:22:31: Also the match isn't boring, though unfamiliarity with anything other than attacking the opponent's king could give that impression. Just what I thought when I read "potential to become the most boring chess match"


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gwnn Senior Member Offline Posts: 472 Joined: 03/21/11	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #94 - 05/16/12 at 13:59:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	bragesjo wrote on 05/16/12 at 13:37:13: The only game in this match that I liked so far was game 4 becouse of all the pieces at d file . What is more, there was at least one piece of each kind except for a king.


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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #93 - 05/16/12 at 13:37:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	The only game in this match that I liked so far was game 4 becouse of all the pieces at d file . I would not describe the match boring, only partly unintersting. Both players are playing extremly solid so far so I predict that all games will be draws untill tiebreaks.


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #92 - 05/16/12 at 13:22:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: so true kramnik only became wch in the rapids against topalov, and also anand won only the last game because topalov wanted to avoid to have to go into the rapids if he draws his last game with white ... with 16/24 games, topalov would still be world champion, and we wouldn't see this boring spiceless chess that we are seeing now!!! Tbh. this match has the potential to become the most boring chess match for world championship in the entire history of chess! I want to see Topalov against one of them or Aronian vs. Carlsen!!! Keano wrote on 05/15/12 at 19:26:37: Ah yes, decide the World ch by a rapid play, didnt we have that before? Lets hope it doesnt happen again. Topalov is currently ranked 12th in the world, and he lost the first round of the Candidates against Kamsky. Also the match isn't boring, though unfamiliarity with anything other than attacking the opponent's king could give that impression.

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mangler Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 174 Location: Orlando Joined: 10/30/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #91 - 05/16/12 at 12:30:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: so true kramnik only became wch in the rapids against topalov, and also anand won only the last game because topalov wanted to avoid to have to go into the rapids if he draws his last game with white ... with 16/24 games, topalov would still be world champion, and we wouldn't see this boring spiceless chess that we are seeing now!!! Tbh. this match has the potential to become the most boring chess match for world championship in the entire history of chess! I want to see Topalov against one of them or Aronian vs. Carlsen!!! You do realize the match with Kramnik went to the rapids is because Topalov was given a free point for "Toilet-gate." Kramnik won the match fair and square on the board in regulation, and a second time in the rapids. You must be too young to have lived through the first Karpov-Kasparov match in 1984-85. Many of the 48 games over a 5-6 month span were short draws, with the players reversing colors for the next game, playing the exact same opening line, and agreeing to a draw. Historically, the same "draws are boring" argument was made about the Alekhine-Capablanca match in 1927. Heck, I recall people complaining about the 8 draws to start the Kasparov-Anand match in 1995. Anand-Gelfand match is boring and spiceless? Not to me.


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #90 - 05/16/12 at 12:08:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: so true kramnik only became wch in the rapids against topalov, ... he won the classical games as well if we don't count the forfeit..

	"I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine." - Bobby
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battleangel Ex Member	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #89 - 05/16/12 at 12:01:35	Post Tools	Print Post
	so true kramnik only became wch in the rapids against topalov, and also anand won only the last game because topalov wanted to avoid to have to go into the rapids if he draws his last game with white ... with 16/24 games, topalov would still be world champion, and we wouldn't see this boring spiceless chess that we are seeing now!!! Tbh. this match has the potential to become the most boring chess match for world championship in the entire history of chess! I want to see Topalov against one of them or Aronian vs. Carlsen!!! Keano wrote on 05/15/12 at 19:26:37: Ah yes, decide the World ch by a rapid play, didnt we have that before? Lets hope it doesnt happen again.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2924 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #88 - 05/16/12 at 10:25:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	This has been quite a common view for a long time, but quite a mistaken one. You can say that most players over 40 are declining from their peek, but chess is not football and I'd say there must be several examples of players approaching their peek at this age. Conclusion: concentrate on the chess and don't worry what age they are.


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #87 - 05/16/12 at 10:01:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yermolinsky (GOTD on chess.fm) sees both as old men and especially Anand without "chess fire" (he is even talking about burn out). Another Yermo thought: +40 players should go to a "senior-tour" and the young should fight for real. My opinion: In chess it does not matter how old you are but how well you perform. The old ones are not to blame if the young guys can't beat them. btw: I am mid-40 and still chess hungry


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #86 - 05/16/12 at 09:06:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	To me it seemed noone was willing to risk much as of yet. They are testing the waters and maybe trying to get into form (as SF pointed for Anand). I think both players will try to achieve a knock out during the classical phase of the match, as both are good in fast play and the rapids & blitz section will more or less be a gamble. If the match could be described as a single chess game, then we are basically witnessing a 1. d4 opening: gradual build up of pressure which will most probably explode into wild tactics & violent attacks!

	"I play honestly and I play to win. If I lose, I take my medicine." - Bobby
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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2110 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #85 - 05/16/12 at 08:22:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Not pushing long enough for that Suspect that the moves might look easy to find but really aren't. Certainly not to equalise fully anyway.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: Who will win the Anand-Gelfand World Championship? Reply #84 - 05/16/12 at 08:07:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	ANDREW BRETT wrote on 05/16/12 at 07:58:46: Another tame game ! Vishy's prep was very convincing. 4 e3 doesn't look like it gives any advantage. I don't really know why Gelfand went into this line as most Black moves were natural and easy to find. Maybe he hopes that Anand will run out of coffee?

	If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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