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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #17 - 05/13/12 at 17:54:18
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Matemax wrote on 05/12/12 at 10:58:58:
Girkassa wrote on 05/12/12 at 10:47:35:
I am surprised nobody has mentioned one of the first guidelines I learnt. Ask yourself: does my opponent's last move threaten anything?

In this case, Black's last move was Rc8, and if you had asked yourself whether the rook was threatening anything, I believe you would have seen it.

If you ask yourself something in 1 minute games, you simply lose on time. It's just about moving. Therefore posting a 1-minute game where someone loses a piece and comparing that to a serious OTB-game is absolutely absurd. If someone is (really?) rated around 2250 he will lose a piece due to a tactical combination but not with a 1-mover. If 2250 does lose pieces without being forced his rating will drop to the level it deserves (lets say 1600).


Hmm, I read through the thread too quickly, and I didn't realize it was a 1-minute game. As others have mentioned above, you cannot seriously analyze a 1-minute game.

But my answer to the original question remains. In OTB chess, where you have time for it, make it a habit to ask yourself whether your opponent's last move threatens anything.
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #16 - 05/13/12 at 17:25:45
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"Chess Lessons" by Popov has an interesting chapter about monitoring counter threats.
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #15 - 05/12/12 at 13:12:17
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Seems good advice Smiley If you put a queen en prise in a real game? Well it'll most likely be because you're rusty! An obvious solution to that.

Blunder rates do definetly vary though. I've played in a fairly stable team of mostly ~2200 folk for a bit now. 

Some do just do it - 1/20 games say? - but others just don't seem to do it at all, even in one case under self inflicted time pressure caused by playing out endings right out in quickplay finishes.
  
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Reply #14 - 05/12/12 at 12:48:49
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Posting a one minute game?
No. Don't. Please.
Please, Gilchrist, take a break. 
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #13 - 05/12/12 at 11:05:17
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Matemax wrote on 05/12/12 at 10:58:58:
Girkassa wrote on 05/12/12 at 10:47:35:
I am surprised nobody has mentioned one of the first guidelines I learnt. Ask yourself: does my opponent's last move threaten anything?

In this case, Black's last move was Rc8, and if you had asked yourself whether the rook was threatening anything, I believe you would have seen it.

If you ask yourself something in 1 minute games, you simply lose on time. It's just about moving. Therefore posting a 1-minute game where someone loses a piece and comparing that to a serious OTB-game is absolutely absurd. If someone is (really?) rated around 2250 he will lose a piece due to a tactical combination but not with a 1-mover. If he does lose a piece his rating will drop to the level it deserves.


Not if the questions come automatically. Also if one has a time advantage then a few seconds can be spent on a critical position. But I agree that trying to analyse 1-minute games is a waste of time. I've seen Grandmasters walk into mate in one on several occasions, so these obvious blunders happen to everyone, just less frequently for the GMs.
  

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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #12 - 05/12/12 at 10:58:58
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Girkassa wrote on 05/12/12 at 10:47:35:
I am surprised nobody has mentioned one of the first guidelines I learnt. Ask yourself: does my opponent's last move threaten anything?

In this case, Black's last move was Rc8, and if you had asked yourself whether the rook was threatening anything, I believe you would have seen it.

If you ask yourself something in 1 minute games, you simply lose on time. It's just about moving. Therefore posting a 1-minute game where someone loses a piece and comparing that to a serious OTB-game is absolutely absurd. If someone is (really?) rated around 2250 he will lose a piece due to a tactical combination but not with a 1-mover. If 2250 does lose pieces without being forced his rating will drop to the level it deserves (lets say 1600).
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #11 - 05/12/12 at 10:58:40
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/12/12 at 07:02:30:
Is there a technique to prevent oneself from leaving one's pieces en prise? Even though I am over 2250 FIDE, I have not played over-the-board for a while and I do not play in general as much as I used to a few years ago. I find that many of my recent losses in online chess are my not seeing my own pieces are attacked and I lose a knight, bishop, or rook for no reason. I am not sure how I used to prevent myself from doing this previously, but now I seem to lose pieces for no reason because I am not seeing them being attacked, even if it is very obvious.


Apply Blumenfeld's rule: just before making your move, see the position through the eyes of a beginner. Is my queen safe? Am I missing a quick checkmate? Does he have a double attack?

Also in the 1-minute game you played, had you asked 'What is the idea of my opponent's move?', you would definitely have seen the threat. Not that such games are of any merit for practical purposes, of course. But getting into a habit of working out your opponent's ideas before making your move can score you a lot of points over time. LPDO as mentioned by Matemax is another good maxim, since most tactics are based on a double attack and/or undefended pieces. 

As for training exercises, the best might be to set up or find random positions and determine all the possible captures that each piece can make. It sounds trivial but would reduce the number of one-move blunders in your games.
  

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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #10 - 05/12/12 at 10:47:35
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I am surprised nobody has mentioned one of the first guidelines I learnt. Ask yourself: does my opponent's last move threaten anything?

In this case, Black's last move was Rc8, and if you had asked yourself whether the rook was threatening anything, I believe you would have seen it.
  
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Reply #9 - 05/12/12 at 09:25:38
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In that case you are in good company with e.g. Stripunsky!  Wink
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #8 - 05/12/12 at 09:25:05
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 05/12/12 at 09:19:22:
When I start playing tournaments again, it will be very embarrassing if I lose the queen like that in a slow game Smiley

Don't worry about that - you will be strategically crushed anyway if you play openings like the one shown. Grin
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #7 - 05/12/12 at 09:19:22
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When I start playing tournaments again, it will be very embarrassing if I lose the queen like that in a slow game Smiley
  

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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #6 - 05/12/12 at 09:17:04
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You're worrying about 1 ply blunders at 1 minute online chess at 3 in the morning?!!? Don't Smiley

For some of the posts above though - this isn't about missing tactics so much as absolutely outright, trivial blunders. Some people definetly more prone to this than others.

Not obvious why or what you should do to train it. The Russians might know Smiley
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #5 - 05/12/12 at 09:09:26
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For example, here is one of an ICC 1-minute games I played today:



Opponent ran out of time at the end, so draw.

Why did I not notice my queen is attacked on move 21? I have no idea, but for some reason I did not even realise the queen was on c2. I played this at 3 in the morning, but still most people would notice the queen on c2.
  

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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #4 - 05/12/12 at 08:31:04
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LPDO - avoid it
  
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Re: Losing pieces in games
Reply #3 - 05/12/12 at 08:28:12
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Making the same experience on the FIDE 1900 level and having thought about it from several povs there are only two solutions. Training simple tactics for 15 min to 30 min daily to reactivate automated responses learned earlier is the first. Analyzing the mistakes individually and looking for common patterns to direct attention is the second way.
  

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