Markovich wrote on 01/29/13 at 18:42:29:

I removed my earlier post; it was based on the belief that the License would cost 20 euro, but it doesn't say that. It only says that if you get de-listed and later need to be relisted, that costs 20 euro. It doesn't say how you could possibly get de-listed.

Now that I've read it better, it does seem to be related to the Atalik situation, that a national federation that has a conflict with one of the players of that country can ban him from playing chess not only in that country but in any FIDE rated competition, by de-listing him.

Which I would understand if it's about things like bans for cheating, but in the case of Atalik it seems to be just politics, and it ought to be impossible to ban a chess player from playing in his own country, let alone in the rest of the world.

Scarblac wrote on 01/29/13 at 16:12:41:


I have no particular position on the question of FIDE dues (or fees, or whatever they are called).  But to me, 20 Euro doesn't seem like a lot to pay for an international rating system.  Won't some of the money also go to promote chess?  In the US we pay dues to the USCF which are on the order of 20 Euro.  Much of it goes to promote chess, but they also provide a national rating service.  If you want Chess Life, their magazine, you pay more.

A good point was made about countries like Cuba.  From what I can tell, practically no one in Cuba has much money.  But if you made a country-specific hardship rate for most other places in Latin America, you would have to confront that some chess players from those countries are fairly well-to-do.  One solution might be to issue hardship certificates to the national federations and let them decide which individuals should get one.  Very few or none would be issued in North America or Western Europe.

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Even in Germany it is too much money because you do not have an adequate reward. I will demonstrate the situation with an example - it is my chess club. 

We have 17 registered members, 3 have a FIDE-Elo. The FIDE-Elo is at least 200 points higher than our german DWZ because we got the Elo some years ago and as the Elo does not rate games between rated and non rated players the ELO has a tendency to be higher. I have seen this effect in my last tournament. At the start i have lost against an unrated player but played later better. At the end my DWZ was little bit higher but much higher was my ELO gain because the loss against the unrated player did not count.

One problem is now that for rating prices the higher rating counts. It is usually the ELO and that means you have often to compete against better players who have a much higher DWZ. One of my friends now loses sometimes to depress his ELO. Non ELO-rated events will be fine for him. He and the other players simply do not need the ELO. And my ELO rating also gives my no advantages. So i do not see any sense to gain a player licence and provide all personal informations. 

But you need players unter ELO 2200 like me to run Opens because they pay the fees and fincance the tournment. The player licence is a huge hurdle and a risk for the organizers. I think that many organizers will now offer more non ELO-rated tournaments which is good for the club player but will hurt semi- professional and professional players. Other tournaments will disappear. 

The FIDE must  realize that they need rated players but an ordinary club player does not need an ELO rating and esp. not in federations who have their own national rating system.

Ender wrote on 01/28/13 at 23:31:34:


Different FIDE officials pull in different directions. The idea of extending FIDE ratings to 1000 was to encourage the development of international chess at lower playing standards and to implement the FIDE rating system as a replacement for national systems. 

If you get other FIDE officials making it both more expensive and more bureaucratic for events to be rated and for new players to take part, that seems likely to have the opposite effect, namely to discourage players from taking part and organisers from running them. 

Please stick to chess here. If you want to discuss politics, go to the chit chat section.

Yep.

This is discussed in another thread as well:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1359114215