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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #41 - 03/05/15 at 01:14:18
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A bit offtopic but I notice that Houska's Caro-Kann book has the same month publication at Williams' book (March 2015), but only the latter is published. I am not sure what happened to the Caro-Kann one, but hopefully it comes soon.

With regards to this Classical Dutch book, to me it seems likely that it is the same bigger size like The Killer Sicilian in terms of height and breadth? I know very little about this opening, although I må agree with the title. It just sees out that is White is += to me. I personally would play the Leningrad if I played the Dutch, but that is just my feeling. Anyway perhaps when playing the Dutch what matters more is to get a sharp, dynamic position without worrying about the actual point of when (or if) equality is gained?
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #40 - 03/05/15 at 01:00:18
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/04/15 at 23:45:28:
Isnt this much larger than his ebook?

Not really no - his eBook is around 450 pages - I'm guessing that any differences are strictly in formatting.

RoleyPoley wrote on 03/04/15 at 23:46:16:
Also, this covers a full repertoire (including 1nf3 and the English which i dont think his ebook did.)

His eBook also covered the Dutch versus the Flank Openings. I'm willing to bet this is a direct port - I'm willing to invest the money into the book if he solved any of the problem variations contained within this thread.
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #39 - 03/04/15 at 23:46:16
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Also, this covers a full repertoire (including 1nf3 and the English which i dont think his ebook did.)
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #38 - 03/04/15 at 23:45:28
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TonyRo wrote on 03/04/15 at 21:48:12:
There's an excerpt up for Williams' "new" The Killer Dutch - it looks very much to be a rehash of his eBook, given to those who purchased his DVD.

The Killer Dutch

I'll be interested to hear if there's anything new here.



Isnt this much larger than his ebook?
  
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There's an excerpt up for Williams' "new" The Killer Dutch - it looks very much to be a rehash of his eBook, given to those who purchased his DVD.

The Killer Dutch

I'll be interested to hear if there's anything new here.
  
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Reply #36 - 01/21/15 at 19:24:15
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Rehashing an old thread, but now at least one game exists with the most important line discussed in this thread (I was curious about the Classical Dutch again recently and checked in on this variation):

  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #35 - 07/04/14 at 20:14:42
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/04/14 at 11:33:00:
TonyRo wrote on 07/04/14 at 07:24:08:
If they're meant to give a short intro to the theoretical stance on a line with the ideas behind it, it did a pretty decent job.


Yes, it was meant to attract new members and subscribers, so it is obviously more important to point people towards the Forum, and say what a wonderful resource it is, than to get bogged down in deep analysis.


In that case - great success! Simon is very personable and engaging as a presenter - I think the video format suits him well. If you'd like a video on the Kalashnikov - let me know!  Grin
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #34 - 07/04/14 at 11:33:00
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TonyRo wrote on 07/04/14 at 07:24:08:
If they're meant to give a short intro to the theoretical stance on a line with the ideas behind it, it did a pretty decent job.


Yes, it was meant to attract new members and subscribers, so it is obviously more important to point people towards the Forum, and say what a wonderful resource it is, than to get bogged down in deep analysis.
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #33 - 07/04/14 at 07:24:08
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The video was a reasonable introduction to the line though - I guess Tony and Simon will have to decide what the end goal with these videos is, specifically. If they're meant to give a short intro to the theoretical stance on a line with the ideas behind it, it did a pretty decent job. If it was meant as a response to the forum analysis, it should have started around move 13 and been more exhaustive - you can really draw any conclusions from only evaluating 15.a4?! and 15.Bh3. There are quite a few moves that need fleshing out here if we want to conclude anything about Black's chances,
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #32 - 07/03/14 at 14:03:10
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Sorry for being negative, but wasn't our conclusion that White should play for b2-b3 to get the edge? 
At least, that seems to be a common denominator of our analysis, I'm not sure if White needs to prevent c4-c3 with Qc1 or something first, or play it at once as Ametanoitos suggested:

Ametanoitos wrote on 05/21/14 at 17:00:14:
According to the spirit of the lines we have already seen here, White could try 13...b5 14.Be3 a6 and now 15.b3!? with the point being 15...c3 16.Qd3 b4 17.d5. Isn't that a bit better (at least!) for White?

  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #31 - 07/03/14 at 13:15:45
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Here's the PGN for Simon Williams' video on http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/:

  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #30 - 06/17/14 at 18:26:28
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I liked Williams' book a ton and all that he does for the chess community as a whole (he just seems to be a friendly and a cool dude all around), but I've never gotten the feeling that he really cares about the objective truth in chess positions. He's just not really that type of a player (again, my perception, and not intended to be a criticism), which is admirable in a lot of ways. So when he says that he feels the 7...Ne4 variation is fully satisfactory for Black but I find something I don't like and can't reconcile, I'm going to have to go with my gut until he literally shows me otherwise. I'd be pumped if there was something though, as I really enjoy playing the Classical Dutch. If there's a second problem in the Nh3, well crap!

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #29 - 06/17/14 at 17:46:18
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TonyRo wrote on 06/17/14 at 15:36:22:
I do wish Flear would have taken a look at this 12.Kxf1! dxc4 13.Nf3! business in the latest update...still seems challenging to me, and Williams doesn't know it exists either (at least according to his eBook).


While I'm skeptical that Williams doesn't know about 13.Nf3!, he does state on his site (in a video of one of his recent games) that at the moment he feels the 7...Ne4 variation is fully satisfactory for Black and that the real test for the variation is with Nh3.

White still seems better to me and an easier position to play and improve.
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #28 - 06/17/14 at 15:36:22
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I do wish Flear would have taken a look at this 12.Kxf1! dxc4 13.Nf3! business in the latest update...still seems challenging to me, and Williams doesn't know it exists either (at least according to his eBook).
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #27 - 05/21/14 at 17:00:14
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According to the spirit of the lines we have already seen here, White could try 13...b5 14.Be3 a6 and now 15.b3!? with the point being 15...c3 16.Qd3 b4 17.d5. Isn't that a bit better (at least!) for  White?
  
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