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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #56 - 10/01/17 at 03:05:08
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 07/03/14 at 13:15:45:
Here's the PGN for Simon Williams' video on http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/:



In the notes to 13...Bd7 14.d5 Be8 15.Bf4 exd5 16.exd5 Nb4: why not 15.dxc6 ? Which seems more or less winning on the spot. Williams offers the same line in his Killer Dutch. It's a sideline (13...b5 remains the main option), but it seems as though Black needs to be looking for resources: 14...Be8?? isn't one of them.
  

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #55 - 01/23/16 at 20:26:46
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After reading Williams recent book, and despite the main lines not being theoretically watertight for black, I've decided to give this opening a go. At my level, i'm pretty happy to play a thematical hack on the kingside.

Sort of played two games so far, the first a souped up version against the English, where i sacrificed two pieces to open up and mate my opponent and a dutch position that transposed from an exchange Alekhine that bamboozled my opponent and i was able to win after using some ideas i picked up in the book.

So safe to say that i'm learning a lot and finding it fun  Cheesy
  

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #54 - 12/31/15 at 02:10:21
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Well, that was unpleasant.
If he had tried gh2+ then the PC says it is still a game, but it looks to me like white will hold out.
Going all in - sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #53 - 12/30/15 at 16:13:11
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Simon is playing a classical dutch set up today against Romanishin at Hastings. He's about an hour up on the clock, just as things are getting hairy - He's sacked one knight and is going give up another piece for an attack on white's king...he's ran out of attack Sad

     
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #52 - 05/26/15 at 03:13:12
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It worked so well for me that I downloaded the pdf from his website too, I keep the Dutch classical or stonewall as a weapon now, together w/ Win with the Stonewall Dutch (Johnsen/Bern/Agdestein) and The Diamond Dutch (Moskalenko). Matter of taste, I don't know. I tryied some 1.f4 to be a move ahead in the key positions, let's see... Smiley
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #51 - 03/17/15 at 22:54:04
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najdorfslayer wrote on 03/13/15 at 20:33:00:
Bibs wrote on 03/13/15 at 11:08:21:
Not impressed? Care to share specifics of your concerns...?

Bibs wrote on 03/13/15 at 11:08:21:
Not impressed? Care to share specifics of your concerns...?


Well 3 major chapters on the Main line. He gives lots of data on ...a5 saying, he doesn't play it any more because it's basically busted.

He then gives another major chapter on ...Qe8 saying that he doesn't rate it and that he has a 0/4 score with it.

He then gives a chapter on ...Nc6 saying it's dubious but a good surprise weapon.

All that I could possibly t
live with but does not inspire me to take up the Dutch.

Also the book is very thick. But most of it is not analysis but overloaded with needless diagrams. Analysis not so deep.

I need to read it a bit more and I may change my mind, it's just personal taste but compared to say a Quality Chess book it doesn't cut it.

I am sure others may like it. Me personally didn't


This pretty well sums it up. It's nowhere near as comprehensive as Tony's Killer Sicilian book and its surprising its in the same series. It's also not as good as his book on the french.

I found it odd that so much of the book is given over to lines that he thinks are dubious or busted. Its not even just the mainlines but also the 2. bg5 line where he gives an early Rh7.

Still after all that criticism i enjoyed reading it (i'm a fairly weak player) and maybe the classical dutch is in relatively poor shape and he is just being fair in his assessment..
  

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #50 - 03/14/15 at 08:01:49
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Is the Williams book a re-hash of his e-book does anybody know? I suspect it is but I hope there is some new analysis in there somewhere?

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #49 - 03/13/15 at 20:33:00
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Bibs wrote on 03/13/15 at 11:08:21:
Not impressed? Care to share specifics of your concerns...?

Bibs wrote on 03/13/15 at 11:08:21:
Not impressed? Care to share specifics of your concerns...?


Well 3 major chapters on the Main line. He gives lots of data on ...a5 saying, he doesn't play it any more because it's basically busted.

He then gives another major chapter on ...Qe8 saying that he doesn't rate it and that he has a 0/4 score with it.

He then gives a chapter on ...Nc6 saying it's dubious but a good surprise weapon.

All that I could possibly t
live with but does not inspire me to take up the Dutch.

Also the book is very thick. But most of it is not analysis but overloaded with needless diagrams. Analysis not so deep.

I need to read it a bit more and I may change my mind, it's just personal taste but compared to say a Quality Chess book it doesn't cut it.

I am sure others may like it. Me personally didn't
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #48 - 03/13/15 at 11:08:21
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #47 - 03/12/15 at 22:35:17
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I got it today after reading it I am not overly impressed Sad
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #46 - 03/06/15 at 22:41:29
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Well the Dutch book by Williams is all over European chesswarehouses in stock, so it should be available now. It also shows for the American shop Chess4Less, so it seems that everywhere has it. I hope that Houska's book is available soon.

I actually ordered this Dutch book. I am interested Smiley
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #45 - 03/06/15 at 21:03:33
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 03/06/15 at 00:39:48:
RoleyPoley wrote on 03/05/15 at 21:47:18:
Everyman website has Houska's book as an April release.  Sad


http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=770 shows March 2015, same with the Dutch book http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=781 though?



Yes, sorry. Not sure where i thought i had read that the date was now April...maybe i misread the US date for the UK/EU one  Roll Eyes

I hope there are no serious problems behind the scenes at Everyman. As they have a new website, i'm guessing there are none. Maybe it's my imagination but it does seem that their books are being delayed more often than in the past, and their details of new books are not being updated on Amazon as quickly (some of the books recently released, or being released soon dont have the preview pages or even pictures up yet.)
  

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #44 - 03/06/15 at 00:39:48
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RoleyPoley wrote on 03/05/15 at 21:47:18:
Everyman website has Houska's book as an April release.  Sad


http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=770 shows March 2015, same with the Dutch book http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=781 though?
  
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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #43 - 03/05/15 at 21:53:45
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TonyRo wrote on 03/05/15 at 01:00:18:
RoleyPoley wrote on 03/04/15 at 23:45:28:
Isnt this much larger than his ebook?

Not really no - his eBook is around 450 pages - I'm guessing that any differences are strictly in formatting.

RoleyPoley wrote on 03/04/15 at 23:46:16:
Also, this covers a full repertoire (including 1nf3 and the English which i dont think his ebook did.)

His eBook also covered the Dutch versus the Flank Openings. I'm willing to bet this is a direct port - I'm willing to invest the money into the book if he solved any of the problem variations contained within this thread.



If it is a direct port, i hope he has some recent stuff in it. Be a shame if it is just pretty much the ebook, unless few people got it originally.

I might give it a spin if the lines are straightforward enough (or rather, allow black a straightforward hack on the kingside  Grin ). Reading through the excerpt, his writing seems a little more aggressive than his book on the french which i really enjoyed reading.
  

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Re: Classical Dutch - White Seems Better
Reply #42 - 03/05/15 at 21:47:18
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 03/05/15 at 01:14:18:
A bit offtopic but I notice that Houska's Caro-Kann book has the same month publication at Williams' book (March 2015), but only the latter is published. I am not sure what happened to the Caro-Kann one, but hopefully it comes soon.

With regards to this Classical Dutch book, to me it seems likely that it is the same bigger size like The Killer Sicilian in terms of height and breadth? I know very little about this opening, although I må agree with the title. It just sees out that is White is += to me. I personally would play the Leningrad if I played the Dutch, but that is just my feeling. Anyway perhaps when playing the Dutch what matters more is to get a sharp, dynamic position without worrying about the actual point of when (or if) equality is gained?


Everyman website has Houska's book as an April release.  Sad
  

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