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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #34 - 05/31/14 at 09:05:11
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katar wrote on 05/30/14 at 22:31:56:
Fllg wrote on 05/30/14 at 17:48:53:
Only 7...Qe8 in the mainline is covered and the analysis must be very dense since this takes up only 36 pages.

or maybe the analysis is very concise and every word is made of gold?   Huh
IMO Malaniuk on the Leningrad is just a notch below Svidler on Gruenfeld. I would trust those guys on their pet openings.   Smiley  I'd be interested in a review if someone could post a link.


They probably focus on how Black should play, so 36 pages may be quite enough if done well.

Is it out in book format too?
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #33 - 05/30/14 at 22:31:56
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Fllg wrote on 05/30/14 at 17:48:53:
Only 7...Qe8 in the mainline is covered and the analysis must be very dense since this takes up only 36 pages.

or maybe the analysis is very concise and every word is made of gold?   Huh
IMO Malaniuk on the Leningrad is just a notch below Svidler on Gruenfeld. I would trust those guys on their pet openings.   Smiley  I'd be interested in a review if someone could post a link.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #32 - 05/30/14 at 17:48:53
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Only 7...Qe8 in the mainline is covered and the analysis must be very dense since this takes up only 36 pages.

I´m a bit skeptical but will probably buy it sometimes since the Dutch was one love in my youth Smiley
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #31 - 05/30/14 at 13:19:02
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It is now out. Just made it by the end of May.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #30 - 05/08/14 at 22:17:06
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Publisher Chess Stars. I don't have any reason to think it won't be out in May other than the fact that it's been announced a couple of times before and then not appeared. Not possible to streamline the creative process, you understand. Hope I'm wrong.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #29 - 05/08/14 at 16:07:14
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/14 at 11:39:22:
BlkSabb wrote on 04/23/14 at 10:52:09:
They finally have a release date for the Malaniuk book. Expected in May.


Anyone care to have a modest bet with me on whether we'll actually see this in May or not?!


Who is the publisher for this and why dont you think it will be out in May?

(I appreciate that many publishers miss deadline's and that we are already in May, but is there any other reason?)
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #28 - 05/08/14 at 12:29:36
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tp2205 wrote on 05/08/14 at 12:05:33:
IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/14 at 11:39:22:
BlkSabb wrote on 04/23/14 at 10:52:09:
They finally have a release date for the Malaniuk book. Expected in May.


Anyone care to have a modest bet with me on whether we'll actually see this in May or not?!


Depends. Am I allowed to bet on it not being out in May?


No!
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #27 - 05/08/14 at 12:05:33
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IMJohnCox wrote on 05/08/14 at 11:39:22:
BlkSabb wrote on 04/23/14 at 10:52:09:
They finally have a release date for the Malaniuk book. Expected in May.


Anyone care to have a modest bet with me on whether we'll actually see this in May or not?!


Depends. Am I allowed to bet on it not being out in May?
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #26 - 05/08/14 at 11:39:22
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BlkSabb wrote on 04/23/14 at 10:52:09:
They finally have a release date for the Malaniuk book. Expected in May.


Anyone care to have a modest bet with me on whether we'll actually see this in May or not?!
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #25 - 04/24/14 at 22:03:46
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topandkas wrote on 04/24/14 at 09:12:15:
Well, Ive always had a hard time understanding this kind of argument because for someone like Svidler who plays the Grunfeld almost religiously it would be strange to suggest that he wouldnt play the Leningrad just because its demanding and allows White for many options to try for an advantage or find a computer improveme that could change the verdict on a specific variation. I think this is more true for the Grunfeld than almost any other opening. It is so rich and White has so many respectable ways to meet it. Granted, as of now far Black seems to be doing well in the Grunfeld but I would argue that the Leningrad is much more narrow in how White can approach it than is true for the Grunfeld.

Agree to some extent, but I do believe there are fewer serious attempts against the Grünfeld than against the Dutch in general and the Leningrad in particular. I also think that black has a wider choice early on in the Grünfeld. Once in one of the topical lines though, blacks (and whites to some degree) life here too hangs by a thin thread and knowledge/preparation of long lines is essential. This whole comparison though is probably not very interesting. My point was that as an OTB main repertoire choice the Dutch has some issues since even the sidelines are quite dangerous. In may other openings it is enough to know the basic antidote to the gambits and sidelines to be rewarded with easy equality or better. In the Dutch this is not the case.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #24 - 04/24/14 at 09:12:15
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Well, Ive always had a hard time understanding this kind of argument because for someone like Svidler who plays the Grunfeld almost religiously it would be strange to suggest that he wouldnt play the Leningrad just because its demanding and allows White for many options to try for an advantage or find a computer improveme that could change the verdict on a specific variation. I think this is more true for the Grunfeld than almost any other opening. It is so rich and White has so many respectable ways to meet it. Granted, as of now far Black seems to be doing well in the Grunfeld but I would argue that the Leningrad is much more narrow in how White can approach it than is true for the Grunfeld.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #23 - 04/24/14 at 08:42:23
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Ludde wrote on 04/24/14 at 07:55:46:
I'm not sure at all (the only way to be sure would be to ask Svidler), but I think the comment could reflect the fact that the Leningrad (and some other openings), while not bad, are very demanding to play. In many cases there exists one, but not several, way to achieve a playable position. The requirement to be very precise in your play leaves less room for alternative approaches as well as failing to remember ones analysis. This could make these openings  unpractical as a primary repertoire choice.

I fully agree with that. If we look a bit more broader to the Dutch defense then we could say that there are in the Dutch defense a lot of green moves.  I covered this topic already in my article http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2013/09/a-dutch-gambit-part-2.html
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #22 - 04/24/14 at 07:55:46
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I'm not sure at all (the only way to be sure would be to ask Svidler), but I think the comment could reflect the fact that the Leningrad (and some other openings), while not bad, are very demanding to play. In many cases there exists one, but not several, way to achieve a playable position. The requirement to be very precise in your play leaves less room for alternative approaches as well as failing to remember ones analysis. This could make these openings  unpractical as a primary repertoire choice.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #21 - 04/24/14 at 07:00:00
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JonathanB wrote on 04/23/14 at 21:44:51:
topandkas wrote on 04/23/14 at 15:57:05:
... the Super GMs must know something that we amateurs are not aware off! Sad


1 ... f5 weakens the king’s position.  As an amateur, I am aware of this, but I also know that my opponents will not necessarily be good enough to exploit this defect.


Indeed it does, but Svidler didnt comment on the move 1...f5 itself. It was a very specific outline of his feelings about the Leningrad Dutch, that he had prepared "for some time" to make part of his repertoire. In doing this he implied that he realized that things are not at all that rosy for Black. This comment very much surprised me because over the past say two years the Leningrad seemed to be doing really well even at top level and for the same reason (I thought) Aronian and others avoided the Leningrad all together, just like many respectable authors recommended meeting 1...f5 with various other systems namely 2.Bg5.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #20 - 04/23/14 at 21:44:51
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topandkas wrote on 04/23/14 at 15:57:05:
... the Super GMs must know something that we amateurs are not aware off! Sad


1 ... f5 weakens the king’s position.  As an amateur, I am aware of this, but I also know that my opponents will not necessarily be good enough to exploit this defect.
  
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