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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #49 - 06/18/14 at 22:34:35
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Viking wrote on 06/18/14 at 07:13:52:
Is the book written in the same format as eg the safest/sharpest sicilian books? I really like that way of organizing and studying the opening.


There's no quick rep/step-by-step sections, it's just theory then a couple of complete games each chapter. The translation's a bit weird in places too but I haven't come across anything I couldn't understand (or thought I understood anyway!). It's certainly not as good as other books on the Leningrad in terms of strategic explanations, more of a theory update.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #48 - 06/18/14 at 22:11:17
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The chapter intro says that 8.Re1 was popular in the 80s and has become modern again in the first decade of the new century. With regards to this exact line: 9.e4 fxe4 10.Nxe4 and 9.Ng5 Qxc4 10.Bf1 both are given as bolded variations, the line being discussed is only covered very briefly in a side note with the comment that it's 'another' line where White has compensation for a pawn and that Black should be careful. Reading only this source I'd have no idea that this was considered the most (?) critical try in this variation.

Granted my database is hardly extensive and doesn't include corr. games but it only has 6 games from the position after 11.Ngxe4...has it been recommended somewhere?

I was under the impression that 9.b3 was the main move and Black should know his stuff there. I've been away from the Leningrad for some years though and my knowledge is largely based on Kindermann's book.

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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #47 - 06/18/14 at 07:29:31
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tipau wrote on 06/17/14 at 19:29:10:
Got my copy.

On the critical 8.Re1 Qf7 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 line being discussed they quote the game Buhmann - Kopylov, 2013 without any branches before suggesting a one move improvement on move 19 and claiming approximate equality.


Looks like they've got a decent line for black in principle - 15...c6 is certainly the right move when you go that way. I'm certainly buying that that endgame they went for in the game should be approx. equal. No extra white options on move 14 and 16, though?

tipau wrote on 06/17/14 at 19:29:10:

I haven't checked it yet as tbh I didn't know this line was considered so critical...

So they did not mention it as the latest trend in the last few years?
  
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Is the book written in the same format as eg the safest/sharpest sicilian books? I really like that way of organizing and studying the opening.
  
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Reply #45 - 06/17/14 at 19:29:10
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Got my copy.

On the critical 8.Re1 Qf7 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 line being discussed they quote the game Buhmann - Kopylov, 2013 without any branches before suggesting a one move improvement on move 19 and claiming approximate equality.

I haven't checked it yet as tbh I didn't know this line was considered so critical...
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #44 - 06/16/14 at 14:44:44
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Bonsai wrote on 06/16/14 at 14:28:45:
TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 13:02:16:
Bonsai wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:43:57:
TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:22:35:
I think 9.e4 (since 2009) fxe4 10.Nxe4.

I would have said 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 or 9.e4 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 fxe4 11.Rxe4 are the truly challenging lines, where black is under some real pressure.

9...fxe4 scores much better for black than 9...Nxe4. Maybe Bacrot-Pruijssers is the best answer to 10.Ng5 ?

That's certainly one of the better lines, but black needs to improve on that game on move 15 (in which case I am not sure whether white has a clear path to an clear-cut advantage), but white also has interesting deviations before that. It's pretty interesting how unexplored that whole line is.

A while ago I let Houdini3 analyse that and he came up with 15...Kh8 instead of 15...Kg7.
  
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Reply #43 - 06/16/14 at 14:28:45
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TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 13:02:16:
Bonsai wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:43:57:
TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:22:35:
I think 9.e4 (since 2009) fxe4 10.Nxe4.

I would have said 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 or 9.e4 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 fxe4 11.Rxe4 are the truly challenging lines, where black is under some real pressure.

9...fxe4 scores much better for black than 9...Nxe4. Maybe Bacrot-Pruijssers is the best answer to 10.Ng5 ?

That's certainly one of the better lines, but black needs to improve on that game on move 15 (in which case I am not sure whether white has a clear path to an clear-cut advantage), but white also has interesting deviations before that. It's pretty interesting how unexplored that whole line is.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #42 - 06/16/14 at 13:02:16
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Bonsai wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:43:57:
TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:22:35:
I think 9.e4 (since 2009) fxe4 10.Nxe4.

I would have said 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 or 9.e4 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 fxe4 11.Rxe4 are the truly challenging lines, where black is under some real pressure.

9...fxe4 scores much better for black than 9...Nxe4. Maybe Bacrot-Pruijssers is the best answer to 10.Ng5 ?
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #41 - 06/16/14 at 12:59:09
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Sorry Bibs, you are right it is White to move. The line I had in mind is mentioned by Bonsai, I totally agree with him that this is the critical line.
  
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Reply #40 - 06/16/14 at 12:43:57
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TD wrote on 06/16/14 at 12:22:35:
I think 9.e4 (since 2009) fxe4 10.Nxe4.

I would have said 9.e4 fxe4 10.Ng5 Qxc4 11.Ngxe4 or 9.e4 Nxe4 10.Nxe4 fxe4 11.Rxe4 are the truly challenging lines, where black is under some real pressure.
  
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Reply #39 - 06/16/14 at 12:22:35
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I think 9.e4 (since 2009) fxe4 10.Nxe4.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #38 - 06/16/14 at 12:05:28
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Well, it is white to move here. The authors M&M consider multiple lines here. Six in total. What is/are supposed to be the most challenging? 



PatzerKing wrote on 06/16/14 at 09:15:25:
Any first comments about the book? I am interested especially in the line

1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.0–0 0–0 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.Re1 Qf7

That line puts the Dutch a little bit in questions, from my point of view.

I browsed a little bit in Moskalenko´s book and as far as I remember, Black wasn´t in good shape either.

  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #37 - 06/16/14 at 09:15:25
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Any first comments about the book? I am interested especially in the line

1.d4 f5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 g6 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.0–0 0–0 6.c4 d6 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.Re1 Qf7

That line puts the Dutch a little bit in questions, from my point of view.

I browsed a little bit in Moskalenko´s book and as far as I remember, Black wasn´t in good shape either.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #36 - 05/31/14 at 20:27:13
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Isolani wrote on 05/31/14 at 15:12:16:
It's 46 pages...


Oops, a typo. Of course I meant 46 instead of 36  Wink

As long as the analysis is good I don´t care about the page count. So I´m curious to hear some opinions.
  
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Re: New Leningrad Dutch Book
Reply #35 - 05/31/14 at 15:12:16
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Fllg wrote on 05/30/14 at 17:48:53:
Only 7...Qe8 in the mainline is covered and the analysis must be very dense since this takes up only 36 pages.


It's 46 pages according to the table of contents. Not ridiculous compared to Kindermann. And Kindermann's book hadn't a very dense text and had lots of diagrams.
With Chess Stars format, Vitiugov  makes a decent coverage of the Mac Cutcheon in 32 pages, starting on move 5. 
But sure, I'd love a hundred pages or more  Roll Eyes
  
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