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Re: C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #14 - 01/24/14 at 11:15:47
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I wonder what was the level of the player Tiviakov had to face. I mean: did he beat Caruana, Ivanchuk, Kortchnoi, Kamsky with the French or only weaker player? I mean 80%!!!
  
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Re: C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #13 - 09/30/13 at 13:18:29
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I finally remembered the comparison by listening to his live commentary in Paris. Tiviakov speaks english like SAM, the Commore 64 speech synthesizer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm4ZCGgzeeU
  
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Re: C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #12 - 09/04/13 at 13:19:32
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Not really a robot (at least in this DVD). Bologan gives more this impression i think.
  
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Re: C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #11 - 09/04/13 at 11:40:18
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Ametanoitos wrote on 09/01/13 at 10:18:12:
He basically gives all that you mention, but at a very basic level. For people that already have a repertoire on the 3.Nd2 this DVD is certainly not recommended. For someone that wants to start playing 3.Nd2 it is a great choice. On that respect it could have been even better if he explained better some strategic themes, or explained a bit more his evaluations in some positions For example he ends a line calling it "slightly better for White", but gives no hint of what to do next, so he assumes that his audience are more advanced players, but then the material he gives does not correspond to this level. Also, many times he says i have played this and that variation but he doesn't explain why he did this choice etc. Shirov does this really well and much better than Tiviakov. Also i have the feeling that Tivi's Nimzo DVD was better than this one on that repsect.


Shirov is a great presenter, even if he appears to be a bit unprepared from time to time.

Tiviakov on the other hand makes the impression a robot who is just going through variations.
  
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Re: C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #10 - 09/01/13 at 10:18:12
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He basically gives all that you mention, but at a very basic level. For people that already have a repertoire on the 3.Nd2 this DVD is certainly not recommended. For someone that wants to start playing 3.Nd2 it is a great choice. On that respect it could have been even better if he explained better some strategic themes, or explained a bit more his evaluations in some positions For example he ends a line calling it "slightly better for White", but gives no hint of what to do next, so he assumes that his audience are more advanced players, but then the material he gives does not correspond to this level. Also, many times he says i have played this and that variation but he doesn't explain why he did this choice etc. Shirov does this really well and much better than Tiviakov. Also i have the feeling that Tivi's Nimzo DVD was better than this one on that repsect.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #9 - 09/01/13 at 09:58:36
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Neric wrote on 09/01/13 at 06:16:45:
Ametanoitos wrote on 08/29/13 at 20:08:17:
A bit sad actually, because i was hoping for a better recommendation, but as i said you cannot expect to find gold in this DVD...


Well, the fact is that we are living in the computer age. This means that even serious amateurs have a database and Houdini running in the background. Why should I buy a DVD where the author tells me that he has nothing to add? Where is the value?

Shirov doesn't give away his preparation either, but at least he shows what the critical lines are and why they are critical.

I expect:
- explanations why the lines are chosen
- positional and tactical explanations
- an emphasis on what is important and what not
- an evaluation of positions (at least at the end of the lines)
- hints where improvements may be found in the future

I don't expect GMs to give away their personal analysis or novelties - this is surely beyound a mass-product. If you want it, you should buy it directly.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #8 - 09/01/13 at 07:54:42
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Neric wrote on 08/30/13 at 05:35:15:
I saw the promo video on Chessbase where he talks about black playing c4. That line can be avoided if white plays Nf3 first and only then takes on d5.


Yes but then black takes on d4 and dxc5 ,his main recommendation (?), is no longer possible.
Good to know if you want to sidestep the dc5 lines.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #7 - 09/01/13 at 06:16:45
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/29/13 at 20:08:17:
A bit sad actually, because i was hoping for a better recommendation, but as i said you cannot expect to find gold in this DVD...


Well, the fact is that we are living in the computer age. This means that even serious amateurs have a database and Houdini running in the background. Why should I buy a DVD where the author tells me that he has nothing to add? Where is the value?

Shirov doesn't give away his preparation either, but at least he shows what the critical lines are and why they are critical.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #6 - 08/30/13 at 18:39:51
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Ametanoitos wrote on 08/29/13 at 20:08:17:
His coverage there is fine and entertaining, although of course not complete. He recommends all the time to check his games at the database for the details. He has an overall of ("only" as he calls it) 80% against the French, but this percentage raises to 87% against the ...Nf6 line, so he is happy when he sees this!

He goes for the main line 7.Ne2 cx 8.cx f6 9.ex Nx 10.O-O Bd6 11.Nf3 Qc7 he gives the dangerous 12.Bd2 but actually seems to recommend 12.Bg5 O-O 13.Rc1 and only gives 2-3 ideas and for the others he references you to his games.

For me, always 11...O-O had been the most serious move and after the main line 12.Bf4 Bx 13.Nx Ne4! (he discusses a couple of other ideas) 14.Qc1 (his recommendation) 14...Ng5! 15.Nxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxh7 and the conclusion (based on his game against Volkov) is that Black can hold the draw with accurate play. A bit sad actually, because i was hoping for a better recommendation, but as i said you cannot expect to find gold in this DVD...

He may be happy to see the ...Nf6 line but a lot of his opponents have played like idiots. Check his game against Berg, a true French expert, who gives up the exchange for a fantastic game. cant remember if Berg won or only drew but Tivi was on the back-foot.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #5 - 08/30/13 at 08:49:39
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It is decent and near to equality, but Black is a bit worse there. I refer you to the "Playing the French" book for the details. Unless you are planning to bring the bishop back to e7 quickly and put the queen to c7. This is the correct set-up for Black and this was shown to an old Kasparov-Karpov game coming from a different opening! (sorry for not revealing more here...  Sad)
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #4 - 08/30/13 at 05:35:15
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I saw the promo video on Chessbase where he talks about black playing c4. That line can be avoided if white plays Nf3 first and only then takes on d5.

About the dxc5 line against the Qxd5-variation I have to say that it doesn't really appear to be convincing to me. Especially after Bxc5 Nb3 Nf6 looks decent.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #3 - 08/29/13 at 20:08:17
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His coverage there is fine and entertaining, although of course not complete. He recommends all the time to check his games at the database for the details. He has an overall of ("only" as he calls it) 80% against the French, but this percentage raises to 87% against the ...Nf6 line, so he is happy when he sees this!

He goes for the main line 7.Ne2 cx 8.cx f6 9.ex Nx 10.O-O Bd6 11.Nf3 Qc7 he gives the dangerous 12.Bd2 but actually seems to recommend 12.Bg5 O-O 13.Rc1 and only gives 2-3 ideas and for the others he references you to his games.

For me, always 11...O-O had been the most serious move and after the main line 12.Bf4 Bx 13.Nx Ne4! (he discusses a couple of other ideas) 14.Qc1 (his recommendation) 14...Ng5! 15.Nxg5 Qxg5 16.Bxh7 and the conclusion (based on his game against Volkov) is that Black can hold the draw with accurate play. A bit sad actually, because i was hoping for a better recommendation, but as i said you cannot expect to find gold in this DVD...
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #2 - 08/29/13 at 14:03:00
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Just wondering also, which lines v 3...Nf6. Think Tiv always went for main lines with Bd3, not the Korchnoi Gambit (Ngf3). Correct? Just wondering which particular lines in Bd3. If it may be possible to give an idea without revealing too much, of course. Thanks if possible, Amet.
  
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Re: Tiviakov on Nd2
Reply #1 - 08/29/13 at 13:27:30
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Do not really expect to find something more than Tiviakov's games that you can find already at the database commented. The real value of the DVD is some of Tiviakov's comments about some practical considerations. Does this justify the price for this DVD? Imho certainly not. To be honest (and i am never afraid to say my opinion) i regretted the money i spent to buy the DVD, but for someone with very little experience on the Tarrasch Variation of the French it might be a great introduction as the relevant sources are either old, or simply much less suitable for understanding the important ideas quickly. Hope that helped you to understand if this money investment is justified for you personally.

Now, specifically answering your question, Tiviakov recommends the 5.dxc5 line for practical reasons. White has an easy game with very little to know (really this line can be learned in 5 minutes). This compensates the fact that (as Tiviakov believes) it is amost impossible to find a theoretical advantage against this line. To be honest, i think that he is right. White is certainly comfortable there, he can deviate his play by choosing among the many move orders available to him and he can expect to put Black under some (psycological?) pressure with the point being that there are many endgames that have the tendency to get favourable for him. On the other hand i certainly disagree with his comments about the endgame line (with Qxd4) in the 5.Ngf3 main line. I don't believe that Black's chances there to win are zero as he calls it and this is the reason the whole French Defence hasn't become more popular at the highest level!
  
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C00-C19: Tiviakov on Nd2
08/29/13 at 10:14:27
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I thought it would be a good idea to start this topic, since this will be en vogue rather soon.

Does anyone have it yet? It would be interesting to know what he recommends against the Qxd5-line.
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