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Carlsen +1    
  16 (17.6%)
Carlsen +2    
  41 (45.1%)
Carlsen +3    
  7 (7.7%)
Carlsen +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +1    
  8 (8.8%)
Anand +2    
  5 (5.5%)
Anand +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Draw and Carlsen wins tiebreaks    
  7 (7.7%)
Draw and Anand wins tiebreaks    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen wins but not sure on score    
  6 (6.6%)
Anand wins but not sure on score    
  1 (1.1%)




Total votes: 91
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #117 - 11/12/14 at 13:13:01
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Good clock management again on Vishy's part. He refuses to get behind Carlsen on the clock.

Magnus has just played the funky 15.Qf1.
  
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Reply #116 - 11/12/14 at 12:56:04
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Keano wrote on 11/12/14 at 12:51:08:
MartinC wrote on 11/12/14 at 11:19:17:
Svidlers commentary is very good.


where is Svidler commentating?


On the official site and chess24.com. I'm also enjoying his commentary very much.
  
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MartinC wrote on 11/12/14 at 11:19:17:
Svidlers commentary is very good.


where is Svidler commentating?
  
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Reply #114 - 11/12/14 at 12:20:02
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Carslen may not going into an Open Sicilian unless he is trailing in the match...in which case Anand won't be playing 1...c5.
  
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Reply #113 - 11/12/14 at 12:04:08
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People do do strange things in preparation for WC matches. Not enough time to personally check all of it. See Kramnik - Leko of course Smiley

As sort of predicted, you're not getting full on open Sicillian fun....
  
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Reply #112 - 11/12/14 at 12:00:42
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Oh yeah baby, Sicilian on the board! Maybe not a Najdorf but Paulsen will do.
  
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Reply #111 - 11/12/14 at 11:40:16
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It's rather questionable for a player of my level to critique Carlsen, but since this is the Internet, I won't let it stop me.

Allowing that pawn to embed itself on c7 just seems stunningly unpragmatic. Doesn't matter what the computer says. Is this a case of Houdini on, brain off?

It's very surprising; Carlsen's an exceptionally pragmatic guy. The whole thing is pretty inexplicable.

  

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Reply #110 - 11/12/14 at 11:19:17
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Svidlers commentary is very good.
  
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Reply #109 - 11/12/14 at 10:18:27
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bragesjo wrote on 11/11/14 at 22:53:31:
One thing I dont get at the chessbomb chat there are some many anti Anand comments on every single move.
I wish it was possible to remove the chat field.  I realy hopes Anand wins the match shut them down.

Maybee I should look for a better site to follow the match. 
While I dont follow every move live since I focused at my work as programmer, I watch the development every half hour.


The chessbomb comments are indeed unbearable... I use the official live stream (I kind of like Svidlers commentary) and chessbomb, when the official live stream is not on air ...
  
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Reply #108 - 11/12/14 at 08:05:19
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Ng5 isn't just 'opening preparation'; it's well-known theory at this level, as was the whole sequence up to where Carlsen was virtually lost. Don't believe the computers - I studied this line with computers quite a lot for one of my books, and it's one of those where they're not reliable. You can tell when they start saying that Black's best line is ...Bb4 and then next move ...B back to e7 that Black is busted.

I wonder if we'll ever find out what on earth went wrong with Carlsen's prep. I doubt it - he's not the type to talk about something like that.

The question is going to be whether it lets Vishy get over his fear.
  
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Reply #107 - 11/12/14 at 02:22:38
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ErictheRed wrote on 11/11/14 at 21:00:06:
I agree with the general consensus that this win was handed to Anand on a silver platter; any reasonably string player could have brought in the full point after the mess Carlson got himself into.  From that point of view this doesn't change my mind about the relative strengths of the two players, but it does call into question Carlsen's opening preparation and perhaps overall match preparation.  

In my opinion this is the only way Anand will win a game, however; ifthe players get equal positions where they both have to "just play" on their own, I don't see Anand being a threat.  

We'll see how it plays out, though. 


It would be hilarious if Anand now won on the black side of a Berlin Defense tomorrow after these remarks!  Grin
  
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Reply #106 - 11/12/14 at 01:18:20
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kylemeister wrote on 11/11/14 at 23:52:42:
bragesjo wrote on 11/11/14 at 22:53:31:
One thing I dont get at the chessbomb chat there are some many anti Anand comments on every single move.
I wish it was possible to remove the chat field.  I realy hopes Anand wins the match shut them down.


From my limited exposure to Chessbomb, I recall having the impression that a lot of the chat folk seem to be about twelve years old.

From today I notice the rather nauseating "I can't believe that old man won ...over the board he isn't in the same class."


Twelve years old, and they don't know anything--especially not if it's a woman. You can also enjoy antisemitism and all manner of comparable delights there.
  
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Reply #105 - 11/12/14 at 00:26:13
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After a certain point I don't think Anand needed much opening preparation. Once he was in a better position with a hard to remove advantage like the pawn on c7, the steps to improve his position were clear (although the execution wasn't at all easy of course). I don't care if it was opening prep, Ng5 is a very beautiful move and led to a fun game with lots of active play. Anand showed high levels of skill and proved he can take down Carlsen if given a slight to moderate advantage. It's the equal positions he's getting outplayed in, and I think a lot of opening oriented players don't enjoy studying lines that are equal so it makes sense he's struggling there.
  

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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #104 - 11/11/14 at 23:52:42
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bragesjo wrote on 11/11/14 at 22:53:31:
One thing I dont get at the chessbomb chat there are some many anti Anand comments on every single move.
I wish it was possible to remove the chat field.  I realy hopes Anand wins the match shut them down.


From my limited exposure to Chessbomb, I recall having the impression that a lot of the chat folk seem to be about twelve years old.

From today I notice the rather nauseating "I can't believe that old man won ...over the board he isn't in the same class."
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #103 - 11/11/14 at 23:26:07
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IMJohnCox wrote on 11/11/14 at 19:26:50:
Good grief, that was absolutely appalling by Carlsen. fxe4 is already a well-known improvement over Aronian-Adams, Bilbao 2013, and why on earth is he playing this sort of line if he isn't properly prepared? Anand's only chance in this match was to catch Carlsen in some computer preparation, and in game-management terms to give him the chance at all was just dreadful, and then to - presumably - totally forget your prep as well.....

Let's not kid ourselves, this was worse than Saric-Carlsen. Any 2500 GM could have won this game with White given what Carlsen chose to do.

Whether it gives Vishy any chance remains to be seen - Carlsen's usually fearsome after a loss and tomorrow's going to be a very interesting game. But on the other hand Carlsen's lost rather too many terrible games recently, sometimes more than one per event. It's harder to stay there than to get there, as they always say. If Carlsen's really just winging it totally in terms of preparation, this match could yet be very interesting.

Still, credit for his line in the press conference when asked whether this loss could be put down to his seconds, 'if anything goes wrong, it's my fault'. Quite right, too, though I wonder what Svidler had to say on commentary after the Brissago episode.

On that last theme, by the way, how come Nielsen's helping Carlsen in this match? Doesn't seem obviously very ethical to me after helping Vishy in the past. I know he didn't help Carlsen last time - is there some agreement between the parties that he can do so now, or what?


I think you need to give Vishy more credit for what he has done today. It was some excellent preparation and if he and his team are willing to put the work in and Carlsen isn't, that's Carlsen's problem.

I agree with your point about the ethical question of whether it's correct for Nielsen to be helping Carlsen in this match. It doesn't seem right to me, furthermore it brings into question Carlsen's ethics as well for both asking and allowing Nielsen onto his team in the first place. 

If I recall correctly something similar to this occured in the Anand-Gelfand WCh match. Kasparov offered to help Gelfand in the match but Gelfand refused this offer citing that he could not ethically accept this help because Kasparov had worked with Anand previoiusly in the Anand-Topalov WCh match and he thought it would give him an unfair advantage. I have always respected Gelfand and do so even more after he made that statement, he is the model example of a chess professional imo.

Regarding Game 4 tomorrow it will be interesting to see how both players react to today's game. Will Carlsen be out for blood? Or will he stick to his game plan of playing long games in the hopes of wearing Anand down in the endgame. I am also looking forward to seing whether Anand goes for something different as well, I wouldn't be surprised after Game 3's result to see him stick with the Berlin. However, I hope he will switch to the Sicilian and try catch Carlsen in more opening preparation. I think Carlsen is going to be shaken after today and it might be a good idea for Anand to take the fight to him if Carlsen allows it. One things for sure this match has become a lot more exciting, I'm still backing Anand to win overall.

Edit in:

Just came across this hilarious pic of Anand during Game 3 via twitter:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2KXjDeCUAIoOnv.png:large

Credit to twitter account: @F3Knight for making it.
  
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