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Carlsen +1    
  16 (17.6%)
Carlsen +2    
  41 (45.1%)
Carlsen +3    
  7 (7.7%)
Carlsen +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +1    
  8 (8.8%)
Anand +2    
  5 (5.5%)
Anand +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Draw and Carlsen wins tiebreaks    
  7 (7.7%)
Draw and Anand wins tiebreaks    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen wins but not sure on score    
  6 (6.6%)
Anand wins but not sure on score    
  1 (1.1%)




Total votes: 91
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #147 - 11/13/14 at 14:45:31
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/13/14 at 14:06:59:
Tho, there is an interesting concept that has been tried in a few tournaments: If a game is drawn early in the first time control, the players must then play an unrated rapid game for the fans. I don't think the players would ever agree to such a thing in a world championship match.

Well in the worldchampionship of 1993 between Kasparov and Short they agreed to play some very weird exhibition games so I would not say never.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_1993
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #146 - 11/13/14 at 14:06:59
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To the best of my knowledge, there are no Sofia rules in this match. Top GMs don't need Sofia rules. And, the Sofia rules don't stop early draws anyway. It's an artificial solution to a problem that doesn't really exist in modern tournaments. 

In match play, part of the psychology of the match is when to offer draws. There are fewer games than in the old World Championship matches, and so the players agree to fewer "rest day draws". There's even less need for Sofia rules in match play. Tho, there is an interesting concept that has been tried in a few tournaments: If a game is drawn early in the first time control, the players must then play an unrated rapid game for the fans. I don't think the players would ever agree to such a thing in a world championship match.
  
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Reply #145 - 11/13/14 at 10:56:22
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MartinC wrote on 11/13/14 at 10:45:59:
its just that Carlsen reckons he can win these endings with a non trivial frequency Smiley

I figure "wearing down Anand over the course of the match" plays into the decision as well.
  
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Reply #144 - 11/13/14 at 10:45:59
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There (surely?) aren't sofia rules or anything, its just that Carlsen reckons he can win these endings with a non trivial frequency Smiley

Maybe - as proved in game 4 - it'll be harder for him to do it this time round! It'd be great for the match if he decides that it will be as he'll have to really engage with white.
  
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Reply #143 - 11/13/14 at 10:26:48
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DenVerdsligeRejsende wrote on 11/13/14 at 09:26:44:
Where did you find the stream for Norwegian broadcast, and is there replay? Is it on NRK somewhere?


Yes, the link is: http://www.nrk.no/sport/

The Danish main chess page has the two links here: http://www.skak.dk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=720:remis-i-4-pa...
  
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Reply #142 - 11/13/14 at 09:40:06
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I really like the Sofia rules, because the way those top tier players play out equalish endgames is highly instructive for us lesser mortals. In earlier times, positions like these were usually called a draw after 20-something moves.
  
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Reply #141 - 11/13/14 at 09:26:44
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Where did you find the stream for Norwegian broadcast, and is there replay? Is it on NRK somewhere?
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #140 - 11/13/14 at 08:24:51
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I find that the first four games have been really interesting and entertaining. It is right now impossible to tell who will win this match. In the 1st and 4th game, Anand had to defend quite a bit but was able to hold these positions. I doubt that he would have succeeded in doing so last year.

I really enjoy Svidler's super competent comments and it is also OK with Sopiko. Being a Scandinavian, it is a lot of fun to listen to/watch the Norwegian commentary as well. Every time a move has been made, you hear a special sound. The sound is like when you watch a soccer game and an announcement about a goal in another game is given  Grin
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #139 - 11/13/14 at 07:32:11
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Psychology surely plays a role. On chessvibes was mentioned that Anand used 6 minutes for his 18th move in game 3 while he confessed later that his preparation still went several moves further. 
http://www.chess.com/news/vishy-anand-levels-score-in-game-3-in-sochi-world-cham...
The writer hints that possible Anand just pretended to be out of book. Carlsen maybe was blinded by this act as he responded without any deep thought (45 seconds is reported) with a probably losing error. Coincidence or not.

On my blog I wrote a few successful examples from my own practice to pretend out of book: http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2014/03/camouflage.html
  
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Reply #138 - 11/13/14 at 00:38:21
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Some Norwegian media found Carlsen's disappointed and depressed appearance strange and exaggerated (surely it's no tragedy that the match is equal at this point), and even speculated that it might be an act.

It sounds strange though - is there really much chance of Anand getting overconfident and playing worse because of it? If psychology has much to do with it at all, underconfidence has looked like a bigger problem for Anand in these two matches.
  

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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #137 - 11/12/14 at 22:35:31
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interesting comments.

up to Carlsen to step up to the plate now, and that is not easy in the circumstances.
  
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Reply #136 - 11/12/14 at 20:54:37
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 11/12/14 at 20:21:56:
I don't think this is very likely. I think i remember a few tournaments in the last years were Carlsen started off not doing great and surpassed everyone in the 2nd half of the tournament. Also after losing two games in a row (somewhen this year? one game was a Berlin against Caruana, the other game was against Karjakin or Radjabov?) he came back. Obviously losing the next game would still be a major blow. I think Carlsen realizes that Anand might after all still be a possible threat to his title.


I think the key difference is those examples are from tournaments and not matches. Albeit Carlsen hasn't played many matches, there is still a big difference; in a tournament if you have a bad game you get a new opponent in the next game which is a kind of clean slate. In matches this is the exact opposite where a bad game can affect the psychology of both players for the next game(s) or even the rest of the match. 

If Anand does manage to win again with White in game 5, thereby gaining the lead in match for the first time, how Carlsen reacts in the next game or 2 afterwards will show us a lot. I personally don't believe Carlsen will be able to remotivate himself if he falls behind in this match.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #135 - 11/12/14 at 20:21:56
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LostTactic wrote on 11/12/14 at 18:44:50:
If they can pull it off I can see Carlsen becoming more depressed and perhaps starting to become uninterested in the match, if that happens I think there could be a major collapse on the cards. Carlsen to me seems the type of person that if things continue to not go his way his mood will affect his play significantly, it may then become hard for him to keep enough interest in the games to play well. Or well enough to beat a player of Anand's calibre at least.



I don't think this is very likely. I think i remember a few tournaments in the last years were Carlsen started off not doing great and surpassed everyone in the 2nd half of the tournament. Also after losing two games in a row (somewhen this year? one game was a Berlin against Caruana, the other game was against Karjakin or Radjabov?) he came back. Obviously losing the next game would still be a major blow. I think Carlsen realizes that Anand might after all still be a possible threat to his title.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #134 - 11/12/14 at 18:44:50
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Carlsen looked really depressed at the press conference today. I think Anand and his team need to go all-out in game 5 to get another win with White and really pile the pressure on. 

If they can pull it off I can see Carlsen becoming more depressed and perhaps starting to become uninterested in the match, if that happens I think there could be a major collapse on the cards. Carlsen to me seems the type of person that if things continue to not go his way his mood will affect his play significantly, it may then become hard for him to keep enough interest in the games to play well. Or well enough to beat a player of Anand's calibre at least.

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If anyone's interested in watching the Tal Memorial Blitz tournament the livestream pg for the event is here: http://new.livestream.com/accounts/7928738/events/3582017 it starts 13:00 Moscow time tomorrow (tomorrow for UK viewers at least).
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #133 - 11/12/14 at 18:24:54
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Dink Heckler wrote on 11/12/14 at 11:40:16:
It's rather questionable for a player of my level to critique Carlsen, but since this is the Internet, I won't let it stop me.

Allowing that pawn to embed itself on c7 just seems stunningly unpragmatic. Doesn't matter what the computer says. Is this a case of Houdini on, brain off?

It's very surprising; Carlsen's an exceptionally pragmatic guy. The whole thing is pretty inexplicable.



It's just theory--my understanding was that this was considered more-or-less a drawing line for a while (the whole ...Nbd7, ...c6, and immediate ...Ba6 line), but I haven't kept up with it over the last few years.  There have been a few high level games played in it over the years, the most recent with the pawn getting to c7 was Aronian - Adams 2013, drawn.

I don't know all of the theoretical developments on this line, but Carlsen was following established theory up to a point, and then his preparation seems to have failed him somehow, he got some crazy inspiration, forgot his prep, never looked at this line, who knows?  

Edit: calling it a drawing a line might be a bit extreme, but I think it's been considered more or less equal for some time now.  Obviously the players at the very top have their own view of things, which is different than what gets disseminated to rest of us at times.
  
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