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Carlsen +1    
  16 (17.6%)
Carlsen +2    
  41 (45.1%)
Carlsen +3    
  7 (7.7%)
Carlsen +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +1    
  8 (8.8%)
Anand +2    
  5 (5.5%)
Anand +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Draw and Carlsen wins tiebreaks    
  7 (7.7%)
Draw and Anand wins tiebreaks    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen wins but not sure on score    
  6 (6.6%)
Anand wins but not sure on score    
  1 (1.1%)




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Reply #162 - 11/14/14 at 12:25:57
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a quick draw wouldn't surprise me
  
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Reply #161 - 11/14/14 at 11:54:44
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I'm predicting Carlsen to go for the Chebanenko Slav or Nimzo/QID. I can't see him wanting to go into the QGD again.
  
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Reply #160 - 11/14/14 at 11:16:50
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Not the most obviously obscure move either Smiley Suppose Ne4 was just considered to be 'obviously' strong.

Anyhow suspect we'll see something different today. Can't see Carlsen wanting to get into a deep theoretical fight on fixed ground.
  
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Reply #159 - 11/14/14 at 11:14:59
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Regarding Twitter, the beauty of it is you curate it to your taste. Some good suggestions above re who to follow.

You can also use following lists as a jumping-off point:
eg: 
https://twitter.com/anishgiri/following
https://twitter.com/HariChess/following
https://twitter.com/FabianoCaruana/following
and pick and choose from there. Obviously, some strong players may follow 1000s of cricket or porn accounts or whatever, but when you see a strong player following ~100 accounts, you can be sure it will be a useful seam to mine.

Then you just keep working at it, adjusting to taste. Use retweets and Twitter suggestions to discover new accounts to follow. There are a few little tricks, like some people who tweet useful stuff but also retweet tons of crappy memes etc; follow, but turn off retweets.

It's also a nice way to interact with these people...as long as you don't abuse the privilege  Smiley
  

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Reply #158 - 11/14/14 at 10:53:03
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kylemeister wrote on 11/14/14 at 01:16:56:
Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 11/13/14 at 21:26:51:

Or staying true to the good old 5...O-O 6. e3 c5! line which McDonald called "energetic and best". I guess it's not as highly regarded by theory but I still love this line  Smiley


I've been wondering if that will make a comeback.  I guess the thing with Be2 instead of Nd2 is still causing Black some consternation.  Watching a game Nyzhnyk-Tarjan a couple of months ago, it seemed that perhaps neither player was aware of that (a possibly relevant fact is that it was Tarjan's first tournament in thirty years).

the line 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.Qc2 Nc6 9.a3 Qa5 10.Rd1 Be7 11.Be2 is a big theoretical problem for black, out of 13 games played (otb) these last three years (in 365chess database), white scored 13 wins (!)
so this is totally unsuitable to be used as a safe equaliser, which is what a top GM wants if he plays the QGD, also because there are a lot of sharp lines with a kingside pawn storm by white, which are theoretically equal but not really 'safe'

by the way, it's quite remarkable that in older opening books (like McDonald's from 2006) this 11.Be2 move simply does not exist, while it's clearly the most challenging line
  
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Reply #157 - 11/14/14 at 10:08:24
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Its just that 6...Nbd7 has been doing so well, its like the complete answer to Bf4.

The old main line there is nothing wrong with either.
  
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Reply #156 - 11/14/14 at 10:04:12
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I think Nielsen sacrificed a pawn with e6-e5 in that Be2 line. I've analysed the line with a computer because usually you can trust Nielsen on stuff like that. While this is probably not a fun line for black, it should be good enough for a draw in a WC match.
  
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Reply #155 - 11/14/14 at 01:16:56
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 11/13/14 at 21:26:51:

Or staying true to the good old 5...O-O 6. e3 c5! line which McDonald called "energetic and best". I guess it's not as highly regarded by theory but I still love this line  Smiley


I've been wondering if that will make a comeback.  I guess the thing with Be2 instead of Nd2 is still causing Black some consternation.  Watching a game Nyzhnyk-Tarjan a couple of months ago, it seemed that perhaps neither player was aware of that (a possibly relevant fact is that it was Tarjan's first tournament in thirty years).
  
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Reply #154 - 11/13/14 at 22:24:00
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https://twitter.com/nigelshortchess/with_replies has been pretty active

E: I should refresh before I answer
  
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Reply #153 - 11/13/14 at 22:14:45
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Pale Horse,

Nigel Short is worth following if you arent already.
  

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Reply #152 - 11/13/14 at 21:36:44
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 11/13/14 at 21:26:51:
I have been following Nakamura and Kasparov on twitter. But they both haven't been very actively commentating this event. Who else is worth checking on twitter besides Caruana?

Mark Crowther of TWIC (https://twitter.com/marktwic) is a good one-stop shop for the match, since he retweets other GMs and journalists.
  
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Reply #151 - 11/13/14 at 21:26:51
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Dink Heckler wrote on 11/13/14 at 15:07:32:

it might well be 0.00 all the way, but one slip and it's over.


I agree, it looks like a line were a new idea could easily lead to a forced win. Looks like a risky choice for such a match.


Dink Heckler wrote on 11/13/14 at 15:07:32:

(btw Twitter is quite a nice way to follow the match, IMO, if you knock together a decent list of commentators, which is pretty simple).


Very good point. I have been following Nakamura and Kasparov on twitter. But they both haven't been very actively commentating this event. Who else is worth checking on twitter besides Caruana?

Edit: checked some famous GMs twitter. Karjakin twitters mostly in russian, Radjabov and Giri post a lot Smiley

tony37 wrote on 11/13/14 at 15:19:27:

I agree, I think that game was good publicity for playing 7...Nh5, stopping all this white-pawn-on-c7 nonsense; during the game I thought more than once: without that f4-bishop this would be nothing for white


Or staying true to the good old 5...O-O 6. e3 c5! line which McDonald called "energetic and best". I guess it's not as highly regarded by theory but I still love this line  Smiley
  
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Reply #150 - 11/13/14 at 15:19:27
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Dink Heckler wrote on 11/13/14 at 15:07:32:

I get all that, but I maintain that it's not pragmatic; it might well be 0.00 all the way, but one slip and it's over.
I take the Caruana view:
"Everyone is saying this is a solid line for Black. But.... isn't that a white pawn on c7?"
https://twitter.com/FabianoCaruana/status/532144119066673152

I agree, I think that game was good publicity for playing 7...Nh5, stopping all this white-pawn-on-c7 nonsense; during the game I thought more than once: without that f4-bishop this would be nothing for white
  
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Reply #149 - 11/13/14 at 15:08:43
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"Psychology" is being bandied about this thread to mean a dozen different things, most of which have nothing to do with psychology.  A personal peeve of mine.
  
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Reply #148 - 11/13/14 at 15:07:32
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ErictheRed wrote on 11/12/14 at 18:24:54:
Dink Heckler wrote on 11/12/14 at 11:40:16:
It's rather questionable for a player of my level to critique Carlsen, but since this is the Internet, I won't let it stop me.

Allowing that pawn to embed itself on c7 just seems stunningly unpragmatic. Doesn't matter what the computer says. Is this a case of Houdini on, brain off?

It's very surprising; Carlsen's an exceptionally pragmatic guy. The whole thing is pretty inexplicable.



It's just theory--my understanding was that this was considered more-or-less a drawing line for a while (the whole ...Nbd7, ...c6, and immediate ...Ba6 line), but I haven't kept up with it over the last few years.  There have been a few high level games played in it over the years, the most recent with the pawn getting to c7 was Aronian - Adams 2013, drawn.

I don't know all of the theoretical developments on this line, but Carlsen was following established theory up to a point, and then his preparation seems to have failed him somehow, he got some crazy inspiration, forgot his prep, never looked at this line, who knows?  

Edit: calling it a drawing a line might be a bit extreme, but I think it's been considered more or less equal for some time now.  Obviously the players at the very top have their own view of things, which is different than what gets disseminated to rest of us at times.


I get all that, but I maintain that it's not pragmatic; it might well be 0.00 all the way, but one slip and it's over.
I take the Caruana view:
"Everyone is saying this is a solid line for Black. But.... isn't that a white pawn on c7?"
https://twitter.com/FabianoCaruana/status/532144119066673152

(btw Twitter is quite a nice way to follow the match, IMO, if you knock together a decent list of commentators, which is pretty simple).
  

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