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Carlsen +1    
  16 (17.6%)
Carlsen +2    
  41 (45.1%)
Carlsen +3    
  7 (7.7%)
Carlsen +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +1    
  8 (8.8%)
Anand +2    
  5 (5.5%)
Anand +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Draw and Carlsen wins tiebreaks    
  7 (7.7%)
Draw and Anand wins tiebreaks    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen wins but not sure on score    
  6 (6.6%)
Anand wins but not sure on score    
  1 (1.1%)




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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #207 - 11/16/14 at 02:40:11
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If Carlsen starts with 1.e4, and I don't see why he wouldn't, I think Anand should go for a Scheveningen sort of system. White does get a nice attack, but Black has good counterplay. Most of his recent experience though has been either with 1...e5 or the Najdorf.
  
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Reply #206 - 11/16/14 at 01:39:37
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I think that too much emphasis is being put on Carlsen's one blunder.  Yes it was a blunder, but besides that one move Carlsen completely outplayed Anand.  It's not as though Anand outplayed Carlsen at any point and then blundered and lost; White was seriously pressing and Anand's entire conception (...a5-a4-a3) seemed to be completely wrong.  I suspect that Carlsen would have won anyway if the double blunder hadn't happened.   

Anybody's match though, I admit.  I think people are giving Anand too much credit though; he was seriously outplayed in this game, Carlsen's single blunder notwithstanding.
  
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Reply #205 - 11/16/14 at 01:09:50
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What was strange was they both must have calculated a nice line with knight takes e five Just a few moves before
  
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Reply #204 - 11/15/14 at 19:50:31
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/15/14 at 19:07:44:
This was a really rare double blunder. Of course, there have been others in WC match history, but that's kind of the point, when it happens it's memorable. 

To state that the quality of the entire game is atrocious because the players made a single slip just isn't accurate. Carlsen was pressing hard for the win, and thought he had a plan. I think if he saw that 26.Kd2 failed, he probably would have played 26.f3, to prepare the same plan but cover e4 first. If Anand had then pushed his a-pawn I think Kd2 would have been on. (I haven't checked this, so I could be very wrong.)

The mistake was substantial. Anand may have been able to win (I think someone said Black would have been up 1.37 pawns according to one engine). Anand seemed to realise he'd missed a shot around move 28. After that, his play was much weaker and he lost without a fight. 

Still, I'm not upset at the quality of the games yet. Anand's win was very impressive, as was Carlsen's draw in game 5. 

I'm sticking by my pre-match prediction of Carlsen winning by +2. I think that clearly the match isn't "anybody's to win". This match is Carlsen's to win now.


Eh no, Carlsens or Anands to win. Two of them in it.

The momentum was with Anand and funny enough I dont think this game will affect that much.
  
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Reply #203 - 11/15/14 at 19:42:54
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I'm not sure what opening Anand should play in game 7, the Kan seems to give Carlsen exactly what he wants (it did so in this game), so back to the Berlin? or good old Najdorf, allowing 3.Bb5+ ?
  
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Reply #202 - 11/15/14 at 19:07:44
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This was a really rare double blunder. Of course, there have been others in WC match history, but that's kind of the point, when it happens it's memorable. 

To state that the quality of the entire game is atrocious because the players made a single slip just isn't accurate. Carlsen was pressing hard for the win, and thought he had a plan. I think if he saw that 26.Kd2 failed, he probably would have played 26.f3, to prepare the same plan but cover e4 first. If Anand had then pushed his a-pawn I think Kd2 would have been on. (I haven't checked this, so I could be very wrong.)

The mistake was substantial. Anand may have been able to win (I think someone said Black would have been up 1.37 pawns according to one engine). Anand seemed to realise he'd missed a shot around move 28. After that, his play was much weaker and he lost without a fight. 

Still, I'm not upset at the quality of the games yet. Anand's win was very impressive, as was Carlsen's draw in game 5. 

I'm sticking by my pre-match prediction of Carlsen winning by +2. I think that clearly the match isn't "anybody's to win". This match is Carlsen's to win now.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #201 - 11/15/14 at 18:27:51
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psychology is over-rated in my opinion. 

Anand has been pushing in all White games and Carlsen is looking vunerable.

anybodys match
  
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Reply #200 - 11/15/14 at 18:22:27
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I am not sure , this miss by both players was understandable as black was in a very passive position so both sides missed the one off tactical shot.
I might even have missed it in a 1 minute game on ICC  Wink


The old annotators used to say 'the game resumes its natural course'

Remember Anand won the playoff with Gelfand thanks to  a dreadful endgame blunder by Gelfand at the end of a Simple  R ending in the last playoff game. Karma
  
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Reply #199 - 11/15/14 at 16:54:28
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It's hard to imagine Anand recovering from this psychologically. Missing this opportunity will haunt him for many years. I hope he proves me wrong and strikes back with his next White in game 8. It's good there's a rest day now because if he had to play tomorrow I think Carlsen would roll him over. I think what really did Anand in was realising that he missed the move a few moves later, if he hadn't of realised this and been left in ignorance of his mistake he might have put up a better defence. It's very sad that his world championship hopes might end in this fashion, up to now the match looked like it could go either way. I think his seconds have a hell of job to just get his head in the right place for the next game, let alone anything else.
  
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Reply #198 - 11/15/14 at 16:52:16
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I think the mistakes in today's game were very instructive in a sense. 

Magnus, controlling the whole board and the game, failed to take the opponent's possibilities into account. That's a mistake I, and no doubt many others, have often made. And Anand's mistake was responding instantly. A few more seconds and he'd seen the tactic. That's tough to take and will probably nag him for months.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #197 - 11/15/14 at 16:34:09
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Wow, there have been a lot more mistakes in this match than I anticipated, for sure.

If Magnus didn't blunder and had played 26.Rg3 instead, however (protecting the rook and preparing 27.Kd2), would the game have proceeded more or less along the same lines?  Of course we'll never know, but it looks like White has a pretty big advantage there to me.  I don't think Black's losing, but White is pressing, isn't he?

I guess my computer says that after 26.Rg3 Black can play 26...Ne7! and exchange rooks with decent chances to hold, i.e. 27.Rxg8 Rxg8 28.g3 Bf3 29.Rxh6 Ng6 30.Bxg6 fg 31.Rh7+ Ka6! (the computer's evaluations).  It all looks a bit computery to me and not easy to decide upon over the board (stalemating your own king in a R + opposite colored bishop endgame, when attacks on the king can actually crop up).  But then I'm a patzer and they're World Champions.

Interesting games this year, at least.  I look forward to taking a closer look at them when I have more time in the future.
  
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Reply #196 - 11/15/14 at 16:29:30
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I hereby swear NEVER to reply instantly to any move except in severe time pressure. Ever. For the rest of my life. Anand lost the last match in part because of an instant reply in a rook endgame, and now this! But, as Kramnik said, world championship matches have their own laws, as the almost unimagineable pressures come to bear on the nerves. Anand was always the speedster and had to break himself of that youthful habit, which stemmed from his then-Capa-like instantaneous comrehension. But ike an old speech impediment which returns when we are stressed, this piece of Anand's basic nature reappeared at the worst possible moment.
  
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Reply #195 - 11/15/14 at 15:38:42
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What a painful display. One of the worst WCC-games I' ve ever seen.
That's not an advertisment for Chess. Anand stumbled around like a slightly desinterested Club-player of mediocre level.
To my feeling he was absolutely helpless throughout the whole game. The clamp e5/h5 combined with the white rooks just sufocated him.
Why the he... did he play the opening right into the hands of Carlsen??
In my eyes Carlsen's blunder Kd2 is explicable like this: He was so much on top and squezzing around that he just forgot about the opponent on the board at all. Anand's blunder (a5-a4) is somehow the mirror image of this. My feeling is that he just hated to be at this very board in Sochi at all. Much too busy to get rid of the obligation to move. A bit more time to check the new aspects of the position after this Kd2 and he would have got it.
After this he completely imploded. 
And this ist the second much to severe failure by Anand after this h7-h5 in game 2...
Hee it is WCC and not a club event...
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Reply #194 - 11/15/14 at 15:28:35
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an interesting question is: would Carlsen have won without making this 26.Kd2? blunder? maybe not, so was it a good blunder? ...
  
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Reply #193 - 11/15/14 at 15:23:52
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A real blunder game today. I think Anand had better moves even after the double blunder. Rhd8 instead of Ra8 and to sac the exchange instead of Bc6
  
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