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Carlsen +1    
  16 (17.6%)
Carlsen +2    
  41 (45.1%)
Carlsen +3    
  7 (7.7%)
Carlsen +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +1    
  8 (8.8%)
Anand +2    
  5 (5.5%)
Anand +3    
  0 (0.0%)
Anand +4 or higher    
  0 (0.0%)
Draw and Carlsen wins tiebreaks    
  7 (7.7%)
Draw and Anand wins tiebreaks    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen wins but not sure on score    
  6 (6.6%)
Anand wins but not sure on score    
  1 (1.1%)




Total votes: 91
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Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship (Read 101360 times)
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #102 - 11/11/14 at 22:53:31
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One thing I dont get at the chessbomb chat there are some many anti Anand comments on every single move.
I wish it was possible to remove the chat field.  I realy hopes Anand wins the match shut them down.

Maybee I should look for a better site to follow the match. 
While I dont follow every move live since I focused at my work as programmer, I watch the development every half hour.
  
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Reply #101 - 11/11/14 at 21:20:54
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not sure what to make of this thread. lot of gibberish and nonsense spouted so far by just about everybody. strange.

sit back and enjoy the ride, chess is not so easy, this is 12 games, anything can happen.
  
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Reply #100 - 11/11/14 at 21:00:06
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I agree with the general consensus that this win was handed to Anand on a silver platter; any reasonably string player could have brought in the full point after the mess Carlson got himself into.  From that point of view this doesn't change my mind about the relative strengths of the two players, but it does call into question Carlsen's opening preparation and perhaps overall match preparation.   

In my opinion this is the only way Anand will win a game, however; ifthe players get equal positions where they both have to "just play" on their own, I don't see Anand being a threat.   

We'll see how it plays out, though.
  
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Reply #99 - 11/11/14 at 20:13:57
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As I said, early days. 

  
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Reply #98 - 11/11/14 at 19:26:50
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Good grief, that was absolutely appalling by Carlsen. fxe4 is already a well-known improvement over Aronian-Adams, Bilbao 2013, and why on earth is he playing this sort of line if he isn't properly prepared? Anand's only chance in this match was to catch Carlsen in some computer preparation, and in game-management terms to give him the chance at all was just dreadful, and then to - presumably - totally forget your prep as well.....

Let's not kid ourselves, this was worse than Saric-Carlsen. Any 2500 GM could have won this game with White given what Carlsen chose to do.

Whether it gives Vishy any chance remains to be seen - Carlsen's usually fearsome after a loss and tomorrow's going to be a very interesting game. But on the other hand Carlsen's lost rather too many terrible games recently, sometimes more than one per event. It's harder to stay there than to get there, as they always say. If Carlsen's really just winging it totally in terms of preparation, this match could yet be very interesting.

Still, credit for his line in the press conference when asked whether this loss could be put down to his seconds, 'if anything goes wrong, it's my fault'. Quite right, too, though I wonder what Svidler had to say on commentary after the Brissago episode.

On that last theme, by the way, how come Nielsen's helping Carlsen in this match? Doesn't seem obviously very ethical to me after helping Vishy in the past. I know he didn't help Carlsen last time - is there some agreement between the parties that he can do so now, or what?
  
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Reply #97 - 11/11/14 at 19:21:26
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FischerTal wrote on 11/11/14 at 17:12:27:
This was pretty obviously the only way Anand was going to win a game by getting a big advantage from some computer prep. 

Carlson has lost games this year to worse players than Anand .
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[This] shows the "Wisdom of the crowd" in predicting just a 2 point win for the Norwegian.


barnaby wrote on 11/11/14 at 00:45:34:
Keano wrote on 11/10/14 at 19:19:35:
early days for predictions

Making statements about how something is going to turn out after it is well established how it is going to turn out is not predicting.
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The posts here continue to amaze me. It's a sporting event, a football match still in the first half, not a mathematical proof or a lunar eclipse. Keeping our heads is always the first order of business.
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #96 - 11/11/14 at 18:52:32
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ErictheRed wrote on 11/09/14 at 21:40:19:
RoleyPoley wrote on 11/09/14 at 21:17:20:

They, like Ericthered question whether he has the psychology to beat Carlsen and his approach towards this re-match.


It has nothing at all to do with psychology to me; Carlsen is just a much better player, that's all.



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Reply #95 - 11/11/14 at 18:22:12
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 11/11/14 at 16:01:16:

And finally, it is really too bad that Carlsen was already crowned World Champion after game two. This game three result shows that the rest of the match might have been fun to watch.  Wink

Reminds me of a certain supreme court decision after a certain election in a certain democratic (?) country. If Carlsen doesn't win after all we don't want to know about it, since that will interfere with his ability to perform his duties as World Champion! Smiley
  

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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #94 - 11/11/14 at 17:12:27
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This was pretty obviously the only way Anand was going to win a game by getting a big advantage from some computer prep. maybe Carlsen got too cocky here, certainly Carlson has lost games this year to worse players than Anand so maybe this match is not as dead as I thought and shows the "Wisdom of the crowd" in predicting just a 2 point win for the Norwegian.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #93 - 11/11/14 at 16:34:06
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 11/11/14 at 16:01:16:
The engines gave White only a very slight edge in the opening and early middlegame. Anand still had to play extremely well in order to win. Which he did.

Well... no, he had to remember his home analysis to take advantage of Carlsen's subobtimal moves (at move 18 and 19), which he did until move 23, after that he just had to play reasonably well, which he did
So I expect Carlsen to be more careful about his opening choices and to outplay Anand in the rest of the match
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #92 - 11/11/14 at 16:21:04
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Is this really the first time since 2010 that Anand has beaten Carlsen in a classical time control? 

Regarding Carlsen's blunders at the end, he's been in time pressure before, but rarely blunders a full piece like that even serious time pressure. It makes me wonder if he's put himself under too much pressure this time.
  
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Reply #91 - 11/11/14 at 16:01:16
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The engines gave White only a very slight edge in the opening and early middlegame. Anand still had to play extremely well in order to win. Which he did. This was a very smooth victory and gives Anand a huge boost in confidence (in the press conference, Vishy was about as ecstatic as Vishy can get). I don't think this can be overstated. Hasn't it been years since Anand beat Carlsen in a classical game?

By the way, ...h5 in game two and ...Ba5xc7 in game three are not real blunders, IMO. They are bad moves in already very difficult and borderline lost positions. Both were the result of being under huge pressure for the whole game.

And finally, it is really too bad that Carlsen was already crowned World Champion after game two. This game three result shows that the rest of the match might have been fun to watch.  Wink
  
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Reply #90 - 11/11/14 at 15:57:13
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Yes, pressure must be unbelievable for these two (+ their teams)..
  

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Reply #89 - 11/11/14 at 15:52:14
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Of course getting the opening and pressure arising from that played a big part Smiley Still suspect Carlsen would have wanted to defend better than that at the end.
(I don't think his position was as bad as Anand's in the previous game where the blunder came in?).

Tons of pressure just from it being a WC match too of course.
  
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Re: Carlsen vs Anand Sochi 2014 World Championship
Reply #88 - 11/11/14 at 15:45:51
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Well, opening preparation does not have necessarily to hand you the game on a silver plate.

Anand won the battle of the clocks + put some pressure early on => then Carlsen may have cracked or not. But irrespective of the result, opening preparation proved successful imo.

edit: sorry, Pale Horse got me first (I was responding to Martin).
  

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