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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #18 - 12/02/14 at 15:21:46
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IsaVulpes wrote on 12/01/14 at 21:33:14:
tony37 wrote on 12/01/14 at 15:23:33:
Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?

He'll have to beat Giri first


Looks like he is doing just that at the moment ... 34 moves played and it looks very good for Kramnik. Very smooth game so far.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #17 - 12/02/14 at 12:20:36
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Oblonskij wrote on 12/02/14 at 10:29:54:
The swiss gambit does not work. Proof: If you start with wins, you can always lose the point later that you chose not to lose in the first round. That way, you are in the same situation but with a better tie-break.

After an early loss, you can console yourself with the prospect of softer opposition, but you are never better off than after a win.

I've seen many situations when one player has 6,5/8 and the other has 6/8 and after the last round the positions were reversed. A half point extra and you are playing a 2500 instead of a 2200 rated player.
Also playing on the top boards is much more intensive than playing on lower boards. Playing chess against higher rated competition eats energy and in a long tournament  you often see players becoming tired in the last rounds and making errors which they otherwise don't make. Surely if you are not that young anymore then it is a good strategy to save energy.

Besides many tournaments don't care about the tie-break for the prices. I've seen prices evenly divided between 3rd and 10th in the final standings with all players having 7/9.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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The swiss gambit does not work. Proof: If you start with wins, you can always lose the point later that you chose not to lose in the first round. That way, you are in the same situation but with a better tie-break.

After an early loss, you can console yourself with the prospect of softer opposition, but you are never better off than after a win.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #14 - 12/01/14 at 22:25:39
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Uhohspaghettio wrote on 12/01/14 at 21:36:29:
Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:43:25:
HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area


Are you talking about a Swiss Gambit? I'm pretty sure that's a well known and serious strategy in Swiss tournaments, not just in chess but in other games using the system. 
  
For me it's a clear flaw in the system itself. You can't expect a player to play their best if it might hurt them.


Yea, that's what I meant... my brain obviously went into french mode for a moment. Didn't know that it was a common term ...
  
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Last year I benefited of a Swiss gambit to score 7/9 in an international tournament and win some money. It wasn't deliberate as described in my article http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2013/10/swiss-gambit.html but nevertheless it didn't feel fair to players whom played continuously on the top-boards.
  
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Pale Horse, Pale Rider wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:43:25:
HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area


Are you talking about a Swiss Gambit? I'm pretty sure that's a well known and serious strategy in Swiss tournaments, not just in chess but in other games using the system. 
   
For me it's a clear flaw in the system itself. You can't expect a player to play their best if it might hurt them.
  
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Reply #11 - 12/01/14 at 21:33:14
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tony37 wrote on 12/01/14 at 15:23:33:
Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?

He'll have to beat Giri first, who is currently trying to claim his spot in the 2800 Club  Wink
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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HgMan wrote on 12/01/14 at 20:26:34:
Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...


This method is jokingly referred to as "suisse gambit" among players in my area
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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Closer to home (chess, that is) Tal habitually "threw" the first game in tournaments and then played catch-up. I'm not sure it's a recommended practice (and Kramnik may come to rue those two half-points), but nevertheless...

LostTactic wrote on 11/28/14 at 10:43:45:
Kramnik's style is not very suited to "Open" tournaments.


This has often been the knock against Kramnik. Safe, positional chess yields too many draws in Open tournaments. In spite of a rocky start, it would appear as though Kramnik has come to play. A few of those wins will reward study and analysis...
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #8 - 12/01/14 at 18:29:39
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In American football, the Patriots started 2-2. After their embarrassing loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, 14-41 on a Monday night, the commentators were saying that Tom Brady, their Hall-of-Fame quarterback, was looking ready for retirement and the Patriots were a shadow of their former selves. 

Today, the Patriots are sitting on top of their conference and look likely to play in the Super Bowl. (I'm hoping Hell freezes over first, being a die-hard Broncos fan.)

Just as with the Patriots, rumours of Kramnik's demise are greatly exaggerated.
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #7 - 12/01/14 at 18:28:32
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Kramnik vs Giri = 5 wins for Kramnik and 2 draws in classical chess

Interesting battle tomorrow!
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
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Kramnik won 4 games in a row, does that mean he's on the way to world champion?
  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #5 - 11/28/14 at 11:16:56
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Keano wrote on 11/27/14 at 20:44:31:
seems logical g4 there

Maybe, but the follow-up looked like real nonsense to this patzer's eyes, or at least an heroic attempt to get into John Watson's next book  Smiley ...but that's life in open tournaments, I suppose. (Actually he was a bit lucky not to lose in round one on the Black side of an Evans Gambit.)

  
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Re: Kramnik on the downfall
Reply #4 - 11/28/14 at 10:43:45
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Kramnik's style is not very suited to "Open" tournaments. I imagine he's getting a decent appearance fee to play there and the conditions are excellent according to Williams and King. 

I am a bit concerned about how Kramnik plans to qualify for the next Candidates tournaments because it's unlikely he will on rating and as far as I'm aware he doesn't seem to have plans to participate in the Grand Prix cycle. Therefore I assume he'll either try to get in via the World Cup or perhaps get the Russian nomination if the Candidates is backed by Russian $$$.
  
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