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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #9 - 06/29/15 at 15:08:45
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chk wrote on 06/29/15 at 14:24:18:
Some of the lines may also transpose (like e.g. in the Gligoric lines of the KID).


I don't understand; surely it would be some trick for 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. Be3 to transpose to a Dragon.  Clearly it's possible for a KID to transpose to an Accelerated Dragon.


  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #8 - 06/29/15 at 14:31:31
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ErictheRed wrote on 06/29/15 at 02:22:56:
To me, "good opening combo" is mostly just code for "I want to play the same types of positions over and over and over no matter what."  

I've never thought that the Caro-Kann and Slav defences are that similar anyway.  I guess that I don't really believe in "good opening combos," not beyond making sure that you won't be move-ordered out of your repertoire. 


That last caveat, being sure not to be move-ordered out of your repertoire, is the main reason for studying at least a few Caro-Kann lines if you play the Slav. 

Many Slav players will play 1.c4 c6, but in order to do so, they usually need to know the Panov-Botvinnik (1.c4 c6 2.e4 d5), which is a Caro-Kann opening. It's not necessary to learn the entire Caro-Kann repertoire as a Slav player, but there are some cross over lines. 

There are some who recommend a Tarrasch repertoire, playing QGD Tarrasch lines and French Tarrasch lines. 

In general, I agree that one shouldn't strive to play the same ideas against 1.d4 as against 1.e4, but I do understand why playing similar pawn structures is appealing. Some players go to extremes though, playing Pirc and KID lines or 1...c6 2..g6 against everything. Those players probably stunt their growth by making such limiting choices.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #7 - 06/29/15 at 14:24:18
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Never tried this "combo", but my first thought when reading the OP's post was Sicilian Dragon & KID. Both aggresive, sound and have the fianchetto similarity. Some of the lines may also transpose (like e.g. in the Gligoric lines of the KID).
  

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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #6 - 06/29/15 at 11:44:59
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Nimzo + QID (or Bogo-Indian) would come to mind as a combination, where positions can on occasion truly be similar in feel and character. Plus some Caro-Kann lines offer some direct transpositions into Nimzo lines, so in some sense there is a bit of combo feel (plus players like Karpov have combined them), but there's not that many similarities. Also, lines like 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 (or some similar sequence) may superficially look like the Nimzo Indian, but are very different (perhaps as similar as the Caro-Kann and the Slav?! I guess the Caro-Kann & Slav similarity is non-negligible since in either case there are lines with dxe4 (or dxc4) followed by Bf5, but as others have commented there are also major differences).

Perhaps you could argue that the Ruy Lopez Chigorin variation can have some similarities in terms of black plans with the King's Indian?! But honestly, I think they are very different in character.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #5 - 06/29/15 at 08:26:21
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Although I do play the Caro Kann and Slav as Black, I've never thought in terms of opening "combos". For me you can think in terms of repertoire efficiency as Black i.e. an opening you can use against d4 and most flank openings. In this way QGD, KID and Dutch set-ups may be seen as efficient. Relationships come in, as the OP pointed out, only where your planned answer to one opening may allow a transposition e.g. 1.c4 c6 needing to be ready for the Slav or Caro, Panov, or 1.Nf3 c5 being ready for a Sicilian tranposition.
   For this reason I'm slightly put off the Nimzo Indian as I'm increasing the amount of work required by needing answers against flank openings that can't easily lead to my preferred answer to d4.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #4 - 06/29/15 at 07:14:55
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You can play "the Sniper" ( Black plays g6, Bg7 and c5) to reach original positions, often by playing Bxc3. Alternatively it gives a chance to transpose into lines of the many mainstream openings where Black plays these moves.

The set up with Nf6, g6, Bg7, O-O is common to a number of openings as is d6, g6, Bg7. So you can mix and match between the Benoni, Kings Indian, Grunfeld, Leningrad Dutch, Pirc or Modern.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #3 - 06/29/15 at 02:22:56
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To me, "good opening combo" is mostly just code for "I want to play the same types of positions over and over and over no matter what."   

I've never thought that the Caro-Kann and Slav defences are that similar anyway.  I guess that I don't really believe in "good opening combos," not beyond making sure that you won't be move-ordered out of your repertoire.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #2 - 06/28/15 at 22:35:13
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I do not believe that this is necessary to have a combination. I play so many defences that they often have no 1:1 correlations. Til example, I play against 1. e4, the Pirc, Sicilian, French, Caro-Kann, Alekhine, and against 1. d4, Grünfeld, Slaw, Nimzo-Indian/Queen's Indian a little bit, and have studied but not played yet the Leningrad Dutch. 

In a tournament, it is like a wheel, I just choose whichever from the list depending on opponent and tournament situation. I never think about which pawn structures correllates with each other. The Slaw and the Caro-Kann and French are related somewhat, but given that I play 1...g6 against both the English and Réti, there is no real coherence in my choices. I just play those openings because I like them.
  
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Re: What are all the good opening combos?
Reply #1 - 06/28/15 at 22:32:40
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The Stonewall Attack combines well with the Stonewall Defense as Black. 

But really, the characters of supposedly parallel openings such as Caro-Kann and Slav, French and Nimzo or QGD, Sicilian and Benoni, are not that similar, even when they share opening moves. I believe the kind of thing you are interested in is mostly an illusion. Consistency is not the point--it doesn't exist. A great deal of variety in chess is unavoidable, unless you want to follow my first sentence and strangle your game. Play what you like and are good at.

You might be interested in Eingorn's A Rock-Solid Opening Repertoire for Black, based on 1...e6. But he leads you into the French, Open Sicilian, English, Nimzo-Indian, Semi-Tarrasch, etc. in the course of being as consistent as possible.

  
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What are all the good opening combos?
06/28/15 at 21:48:20
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One well known very good combo is the Caro-Kann + the Slav:

- The main objective of both of these openings is to develop the light-squared Bishop to f5 before it gets locked inside the Pawn chain.
- They tend to lead to roughly similar Pawn structures.
- On average they both tend to lead to positional, quiet and strategic games.
- And most importantly, if you choose both of these openings, against 1. c4 you can play 1...c6 which can transpose into either a Slav (2. d4) or a Caro-Kann Panov/Pseudo-Panov (2. e4).

I would like to know what are all the other possible combinations of openings which work well together.

I am only interested in combos where both openings are sound.

And if possible also explain why exactly the openings work well together.
  
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