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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #11 - 01/31/18 at 14:59:37
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IsaVulpes wrote on 06/01/17 at 00:08:18:
That looks like an insanely good video series, Tony! Going to enjoy watching this & checking out the rest of the channel Smiley

I do think there is an interest for this, but perhaps it would be more immediatly appealing if it were split into more parts, so it's easier to get back to where one was, and it didn't feel as overwhelming? 
Instead of 3 hours on all the Dragons, three 1 hour videos on the respective ones would look a lot more manageable.

Potentially one could could split it even farther down into smth like a 20 minute look with focus from the Black side, 20 minutes from the White side, and 20 minutes of how it actually looks like in games (when Black takes time out of his plan to stop White actions, how White adjusts his play based on Blacks answers, something, development of theory)? 
That way, someone vaguely interested in potentially playing the Acc Dragon could watch the 20 Minute Black video, and if he likes it, the 20 Minute Theory one on top - rather than sitting in front of 2:55:28 and just going "Uuuh, maybe later".
Attention spans online are sadly rather short for most people..

And indeed, I simply didn't know about the existence of this channel, let alone the video series, at all! 
It's difficult to find quality content on Youtube, so I generally refrain from even attempting to do so.. if you aren't already an established household name, it's rare for people to stumble upon whatever you're producing. 
Some sort of advertising does go a long way.

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OnTopic, I do think it would theoretically be possible, but in practice the vast majority of Youtubers/Streamers I've seen have 95%+ Online Blitz/Bullet Games as their main sort of content, where they play roughly every opening imaginable and purposely avoid going to deep into theory waters to not make it impossible to play OTB in the future (it does get kind of easy to prepare for you, if you play your actual repertoire in 3000 commentated online games).
So.. sure, basing your repertoire on a "hero" is good, and if you have commentated games by them even better, and if it's loads of games that's perfect, but I don't feel like you actually get glimpses into their repertoire from watching those Banter Blitzings.





totally agree with you
Perhaps this is not the format for players
  

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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #10 - 06/02/17 at 01:51:04
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A thoughtful answer, as always. I've been wondering about starting with 1. g3 vs 1. Nf3 and 2. g3 and your games have been interesting to play over. I certainly noted the Meierian influence on your Black games (French Rubinstein and Langrock's advance suggestion). Seems to follow the neutralize/equalize and then try to outplay with Black dictum. I noticed the AD as well but no Kalashnikov.
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #9 - 06/01/17 at 12:35:12
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I started a long time ago with Kosten, then Marin, then I realized that at least on a practical level, 1.Nf3 and 2.g3 just reduced the number of critical positions I'd have to know how to play well OTB. I also was never satisfied with the English options against the KID, but I quite like 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.d4 d6 5.O-O O-O 6.b3!? - a line I noticed Georg Meier was playing a lot. Then I just started copying his ideas, as I noticed he was always well prepared and was choosing lines that I also enjoyed. Now he's my coach and we work together!  Wink
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #8 - 06/01/17 at 03:35:46
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I've just been looking over your YT games on lichess. As White, how did you construct your repertoire (mainly kingside fianchetto-based)? Any primary sources or players that you used as models? Or was it more bits-and-pieces?
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #7 - 06/01/17 at 02:15:06
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I think at least in the Dragon one (I can't remember if I did this for all of them), I added shortcuts and timestamps to the description that will link you to the relevant theoretical sections, just so the 3 hours was a bit easier to navigate. Smiley
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #6 - 06/01/17 at 00:08:18
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That looks like an insanely good video series, Tony! Going to enjoy watching this & checking out the rest of the channel Smiley

I do think there is an interest for this, but perhaps it would be more immediatly appealing if it were split into more parts, so it's easier to get back to where one was, and it didn't feel as overwhelming? 
Instead of 3 hours on all the Dragons, three 1 hour videos on the respective ones would look a lot more manageable.

Potentially one could could split it even farther down into smth like a 20 minute look with focus from the Black side, 20 minutes from the White side, and 20 minutes of how it actually looks like in games (when Black takes time out of his plan to stop White actions, how White adjusts his play based on Blacks answers, something, development of theory)? 
That way, someone vaguely interested in potentially playing the Acc Dragon could watch the 20 Minute Black video, and if he likes it, the 20 Minute Theory one on top - rather than sitting in front of 2:55:28 and just going "Uuuh, maybe later".
Attention spans online are sadly rather short for most people..

And indeed, I simply didn't know about the existence of this channel, let alone the video series, at all! 
It's difficult to find quality content on Youtube, so I generally refrain from even attempting to do so.. if you aren't already an established household name, it's rare for people to stumble upon whatever you're producing. 
Some sort of advertising does go a long way.

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OnTopic, I do think it would theoretically be possible, but in practice the vast majority of Youtubers/Streamers I've seen have 95%+ Online Blitz/Bullet Games as their main sort of content, where they play roughly every opening imaginable and purposely avoid going to deep into theory waters to not make it impossible to play OTB in the future (it does get kind of easy to prepare for you, if you play your actual repertoire in 3000 commentated online games).
So.. sure, basing your repertoire on a "hero" is good, and if you have commentated games by them even better, and if it's loads of games that's perfect, but I don't feel like you actually get glimpses into their repertoire from watching those Banter Blitzings.
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #5 - 05/31/17 at 12:41:21
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Yeah I purposely don't do a lot of marketing. It's more about forcing myself to do things that improve my game, and I'm just happy to share chess with a few more people. Smiley Glad you like, thanks for the compliments!
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #4 - 05/31/17 at 12:34:37
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TonyRo wrote on 05/31/17 at 10:48:07:

I have a channel as well and have shown some pretty serious opening analysis on there - it remains to be seen whether or not that type of content is here to stay, as very few people are interested in 3 hours videos about the Dragon.

Your channel looks great! Just took a brief look at that Dragon video. Objective and seems to cover all the basic strategies and tactics improvers need to know. I'm sure I can find some new ideas too if I watch it all.

You really should brag about it a bit more! Maybe it's been mentioned, but I wasn't really aware of the channel until now.
  

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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #3 - 05/31/17 at 10:48:07
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I'm sure following the typical YouTubers and picking up their repertoire would be possible, as that type of "annotated" content in large quantities will definitely allow you to get a feel for typical plans, ideas, and just where your pieces should go. It won't give you a great theoretical background though, so I'd supplement it with actual work in a book and Chessbase, for instance. 

I have a channel as well and have shown some pretty serious opening analysis on there - it remains to be seen whether or not that type of content is here to stay, as very few people are interested in 3 hours videos about the Dragon.
  
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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #2 - 05/31/17 at 05:22:21
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Nickajack wrote on 05/30/17 at 23:58:18:
At best, videos can act as good introductions to a repertoire


I think the same way about DVDs, although some of the more recent Chessbase ones have included databases of analysis and annotated games for further study.

From viewing alone, you can get a taste of an opening to see if it suits you, and obviously compared to DVDs, online vids are mostly free!
  

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Re: Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
Reply #1 - 05/30/17 at 23:58:18
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That's hard to do even if a video attempts to teach a repertoire. Most of the stuff on youtube is spotty, unrelated, patchwork analysis. 

At best, videos can act as good introductions to a repertoire, but books and DBs tend to offer much more thorough coverage, otherwise your repertoire will have too many holes.
  

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Learning Opening by watching Youtubers
05/29/17 at 15:27:01
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Has anyone learned an opening repertoire or based theirs off famous youtubers, such as John bartholomew, chessExplained, Ginger GM, greg shahade? 

There are hundreds of games that they have played and commented on. I'm a little curious if someone has already done this work? or run into practical difficulties. 

  
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