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Nernstian59 Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 294 Joined: 12/15/21	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #6 - 10/17/23 at 23:10:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	FreeRepublic wrote on 10/16/23 at 20:03:48: There are many ways to proceed, including: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Ngf3 cd4 6. Bc4 Qd7 7. O-O Nc6 8. Nb3 a6 9. Nbd4 Nd4 10. Nd4 Qc7 11. Bd3 Bd6 12. Re1 Nf6 This line is one of the recommendations of GM Ivan Cheparinov in the modern-chess database, French Defence - Top-Level Repertoire for Black, though his line has 11...Nf6 and 12...Bd6. He continues 13.h3 0-0 14.Bg5 Bh2+ 15.Kh1 Be5 16.c3 h6 17.Bh4 Bd7 18.Nf3 Bf4 19.Bxf6 gxf6, evaluating the final position as =. Stockfish agrees - apparently White's 3 vs 2 queenside majority and Black's broken kingside are balanced by the black bishop pair. Earlier in the line, Cheparinov says that 11.Qe2 is the most ambitious try by White. FreeRepublic wrote on 10/16/23 at 20:03:48: It does not feel like a French as I've known it I have the same feeling, but numerous authors are advocating these 3...c5 + 4...Qxd5 lines in their French repertoires for Black. It appears to be the most reliable way to reach equality, but that equality doesn't seem to give Black anything to work with. White's position is completely free of weaknesses, unlike in other variations in the French.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #5 - 10/17/23 at 06:00:05	Post Tools	Print Post
	Historical aside: funnily enough, Fine gave 4...Qxd5 as "!" in the 1940s (Practical Chess Openings). But he gave 5. Ngf3 Nc6 (6. Bc4 Qd8), which was described by Nunn about 40 years later (Secrets of Grandmaster Play) as already the reason for Black's loss in Nunn-Levitt (via 4. Ngf3 Nc6 5. ed5 Qxd5).
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FreeRepublic God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1008 Location: Georgia Joined: 06/08/17 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #4 - 10/16/23 at 20:03:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	There are many ways to proceed, including: 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. ed5 Qd5 5. Ngf3 cd4 6. Bc4 Qd7 7. O-O Nc6 8. Nb3 a6 9. Nbd4 Nd4 10. Nd4 Qc7 11. Bd3 Bd6 12. Re1 Nf6 Black falls behind in development, somewhat like some lines in the 6Bg5 Najdorf, but White lacks a knockout blow, hence Black obtains equal chances. It does not feel like a French as I've known it but 4...Qxd5 etc. may be Black's best line, and perfectly good.


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winawer77 Full Member Offline Posts: 249 Location: UK Joined: 03/31/07 Gender:	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #3 - 05/19/20 at 14:28:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	I really like this line and included as my main response to the Tarrasch. Romain Edouard did a French repertoire 'Play the French' on Chess24. Its very good and he explains things at a high level (albeit very quickly), with no wasting time going through basic concepts. He recommends this line, and the Classical against 3.Nc3


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Krudos YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 31 Joined: 04/17/18	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #2 - 05/18/20 at 17:37:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks I had overlooked that; much appreciated


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 Reply #1 - 05/18/20 at 15:25:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, I see that it was addressed in the Nov. 2019 update. "Now 11...Qc7 would transpose into one of the old 6....Qd6 lines, but here 11...b5 and ...Bb7 is more active. In the game [Guseinov, G - Meier, G, Batumi 2019], White played nicely to gain a small advantage, but in general Black should equalize."


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Krudos YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 31 Joined: 04/17/18	Tarrasch 3..d5 with Qxd5 and Qd7 05/18/20 at 10:19:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Is there any material or any views on this line in the French Tarrasch: 1 e4 e6 2 d4 d5 3 Nd2 c5 4 exd5 Qxd5 5 Ngf3 cxd4 6 Bc4 Qd7 7 0-0 Nc6 8 Nb3 Nf6 9 Nbxd4 Nxd4 10 Nxd4 a6 and now 11 Bg5?


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