ChessPub Forum - Playing the Stonewall Dutch

(UTC)

Latest Updates:

Dragon Sicilians - 02 May Daring Defences - 01 May Nimzo, Benoni - 01 May

ChessPub Forum › Chess Publishing Openings › Daring Defences to 1. d4 › Dutch › Playing the Stonewall Dutch

(Moderators: CraigEvans, proustiskeen, Hadron)

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5

Topic Tools

Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies)

Playing the Stonewall Dutch (Read 26941 times)

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #27 - 07/15/20 at 19:35:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	I find the Introduction with the most relevant themes and motifs extremely useful.


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #26 - 07/15/20 at 19:20:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	Errata: p. 17: Chapter 5 - 5.Nh3 should be Chapter 6 - 5.Nh3


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #25 - 07/15/20 at 19:02:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	There is no mention in the Bibliography of L'Ami's and Pavlovic's works. Pavlovic is also from 2020, but L'Ami is from 2017, so it would have been nice (and appropriate?) to see this DVD mentioned.


	IP Logged

winawer77 Full Member Offline Posts: 249 Location: UK Joined: 03/31/07 Gender:	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #24 - 07/15/20 at 18:20:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	TD wrote on 07/15/20 at 10:46:43: My copy has arrived. It looks great at first sight. Great! Would love to hear your thoughts on it. In particular that non-g3 lines, I think in chapter 1. But overall, as well. As a French player the Stonewall has always been of interest, perhaps in combination with the Classical Dutch, so this book is interesting indeed.


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #23 - 07/15/20 at 10:46:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	My copy has arrived. It looks great at first sight.
	« Last Edit: 07/15/20 at 19:35:33 by TD »

	IP Logged

LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #22 - 07/14/20 at 19:45:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks. If by QGD move order, you mean 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 f5, this used to be considered inferior, as it lets White play Bf4 and Bd3. The Triangle move order is perhaps better 1.d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.e3 f5, but still not ideal and, of course, you’re not guaranteed to get to a Dutch. Among other things, White has 4.e4. BTW, in a c24 video, Magnus Carlsen says that the very best way to get to a Stonewall is from a Catalan, as the White Bg2 then hits granite. Of course, this isn’t guaranteed either. But if you can get to a Stonewall, he shows it’s a nice version.


	IP Logged

VGA Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 97 Joined: 08/13/17	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #21 - 07/13/20 at 01:57:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	LeeRoth wrote on 06/16/20 at 17:36:36: Is 2 Bg5 more discomforting for Black than 2 Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5? Thinking of maybe taking up one or the other or possibly both. Any suggestions? Classical Dutch players will probably play 1. d4 f5 2. Bg5 Nf6 and then doubling up the f-pawns is ultra-annoying. Not as annoying for Stonewall and Leningrad players, they can avoid the doubling. I have the good ol' Winning with the Stonewall Dutch book, I wonder if I can use the QGD move order to reach the Stonewall and how much that book is compatible with that ... lots of Dutch books lately, interesting.


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #20 - 06/16/20 at 17:39:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	LeeRoth wrote on 06/16/20 at 17:36:36: Is 2 Bg5 more discomforting for Black than 2 Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5? Thinking of maybe taking up one or the other or possibly both. Any suggestions? Why don't you guys discuss that in the appropriate topic?


	IP Logged

LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #19 - 06/16/20 at 17:36:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Is 2 Bg5 more discomforting for Black than 2 Nc3 Nf6 3.Bg5? Thinking of maybe taking up one or the other or possibly both. Any suggestions?


	IP Logged

VGA Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 97 Joined: 08/13/17	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #18 - 06/16/20 at 15:45:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	H-HH wrote on 06/12/20 at 05:12:42: I play both the French and Dutch, but the later via 1...f5. The anti-Dutch lines are not particularly dangerous, and Marin will publish a book about them (complementary to the Leningrad one). tp2205 wrote on 06/12/20 at 07:04:05: TD wrote on 06/12/20 at 05:21:42: H-HH wrote on 06/12/20 at 05:12:42: I play both the French and Dutch, but the later via 1...f5. The anti-Dutch lines are not particularly dangerous, and Marin will publish a book about them (complementary to the Leningrad one). The Anti-Dutch is the reason I usually don't play 1...f5. It's a pity because I like the Leningrad as well. Do you have any specific line(s) you dislike? I think the main lines against the Leningrad are much more of a problem. Recently I started playing 1...f5 against Nf3, c4 and d4 and overall do much better against the Anti-Dutch systems than against main lines or quieter systems with an early queenside expansion. Answer to both: 2.Bg5


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #17 - 06/13/20 at 21:24:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seeley wrote on 06/13/20 at 21:22:24: TD wrote on 06/12/20 at 18:04:41: nestor wrote on 06/12/20 at 17:51:02: QC have now confirmed that there is a chapter with anti-Dutch lines after 1.d4 f5, for readers who don't want to allow the transposition to the French. As can be read in the excerpt. And which i pointed out in Reply 4 of this thread


	IP Logged

Seeley Senior Member Offline Posts: 352 Location: UK Joined: 04/03/10	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #16 - 06/13/20 at 21:22:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	TD wrote on 06/12/20 at 18:04:41: nestor wrote on 06/12/20 at 17:51:02: QC have now confirmed that there is a chapter with anti-Dutch lines after 1.d4 f5, for readers who don't want to allow the transposition to the French. As can be read in the excerpt. And which i pointed out in Reply 4 of this thread


	IP Logged

nestor Full Member Offline Posts: 137 Location: London Joined: 05/10/09 Gender:	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #15 - 06/13/20 at 07:05:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Ah yes. As an amateur chess player, I claim my God-given right to overlook what is right in front of me in plain sight....


	IP Logged

TD God Member Offline Feyenoord forever! Posts: 625 Location: Rotterdam, NLD Joined: 02/12/11	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #14 - 06/12/20 at 18:04:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	nestor wrote on 06/12/20 at 17:51:02: QC have now confirmed that there is a chapter with anti-Dutch lines after 1.d4 f5, for readers who don't want to allow the transposition to the French. As can be read in the excerpt.


	IP Logged

nestor Full Member Offline Posts: 137 Location: London Joined: 05/10/09 Gender:	Re: Playing the Stonewall Dutch Reply #13 - 06/12/20 at 17:51:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	QC have now confirmed that there is a chapter with anti-Dutch lines after 1.d4 f5, for readers who don't want to allow the transposition to the French.


	IP Logged

Page Index Toggle

Pages: 1 2 3 [4] 5

Topic Tools

‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›

Bookmarks:

del.icio.us

Digg

Google

Google+

reddit

StumbleUpon

Yahoo

« Board Index ‹ Board Top

Top

ChessPub Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.

Valid XHTML

Valid CSS

Powered by Perl

Source Forge