Another mistake:

Wagenbach: 4 Bc4 h4 5 Qe2 d6 6 Nc3 c6(?) 7 d4 g5 is indeed "another main line", but one Black needs to avoid.

Instead, 6...Nc6 is correct, when 7 d4 g5 8 e5 Bg7 is the same line as in the previous post.

Seems I didn't quite get these multitudinous transpositions down.

From https://www.chesspublishing.com/content/1/index.htm

"I received a copy of Jonathan Tait's 'A Disreputable Opening Repertoire' and I intend to look at some of his suggestions over the next few months, without giving too much of his analysis away, I hope."

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MartinC wrote on 05/11/22 at 13:48:54:


Glad you like it

By Dave, do you mean Dave Adams? If so, he's more often taken White against me — for a +2 score from 12 games. Possibly because he's -3 from 8 games as Black

SWJediknight wrote on 04/28/22 at 21:29:15:


ah right, I'd forgotten all about this

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.c3 Nf6 5.e5 Ne4 sprung quickly to my mind as a disreputable but tricky response to the Göring, especially with 6.Qe2 f5 7.exf6 d5 8.Nbd2 d3!? in mind.  It's better for White with best play, but players who are unfamiliar with the line can get caught out, and Black's score in the line ending 8...d3 in the ChessBase database is 59%.

But Capablanca's line is certainly irritating to many devotees of the gambit, so much so that I generally avoid it with either 5.Bd3 or a MNb suggestion from a while ago, 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.cxd4 Bg4 7.Nc3 Bb4 8.Be3.  

This line ending 8.Be3 is one of the very few sidelines that isn't covered in what is otherwise an impressively thorough coverage of White's options against Capablanca's response to the Göring.  (8.a3 is covered).  I remember discussing this at Jonathan's blog some time ago, particularly the line 8...0-0-0 9.a3 (not 9.Be2 Bxf3 10.Bxf3 Qc4) 9...Bxc3+ 10.bxc3, e.g. 10...Qa5 11.Rc1 sacrificing the a2-pawn for compensation.  Stockfish 14 assesses this as close to equal.  

I appreciate the references to the possible transpositions from the Chigorin Defence to the Queen's Gambit.  Although more rare, it's even possible to get into the 4...d5 Göring Gambit Declined lines via the Albin Counter-Gambit: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5 3.cxd5 Qxd5 4.e3 exd4 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.cxd4.  Yes, it really is the same position!  I've met 3.cxd5 on many occasions but usually White plays 4.Nf3 or 4.dxe5 instead of 4.e3.

Ah no, I'm getting old and hence forget a lot of stuff, including my own comments.
I'm happy to repeat louder that your book is great fun.

MNb wrote on 04/27/22 at 07:11:35:


I mentioned this once:
https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1641710533/13#8

To which MNB replied (reply #11):
"many weaker players are courageous enough to run the risk of losing against stronger opponents instead of being sensible and take the draw by following Ghizdavu-Sydor from the Olympiade 1972".

 

Yes, I found them this morning. My excuse is that I was tired yesterday.
A bit of a pity that against the Göring something very reputable and drawish is recommended. I had hoped for somethiing disreputable like 4...Nf6, Alekhine's blockading strategy from Nyholm-Alekhine, Stockholm 1912 or 6...Bg4 7.Be2 O-O-O with the knight going to e7 or h6.