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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4906 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' Reply #5 - 12/18/23 at 17:55:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	Historical note: ancient theory (Bruno Parma in the first edition of ECO) gave that as clearly better for White, citing Bisguier-Hearst from the 1954 US Championship. After 10. Nxe6+ fxe6 11. Bg5, Hearst (a US Senior Master and psychologist who died in 2018) played 11...Bb4, which isn't favored these days.


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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 880 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' Reply #4 - 12/18/23 at 16:56:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	yeah, it's this line as posted by Bobby Fischer below: 1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c5 5.cxd5 cxd4 6.Qxd4 exd5 7.e4 dxe4 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Ng5 Be6

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doefmat Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 101 Joined: 04/03/17	Re: Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' Reply #3 - 12/18/23 at 06:49:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	With some more research I think it is (a specific line) in the Semi-Tarrasch. Early piece trades and a very 'boring' position where it is quite hard for white to win.

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robertjamesbobbyfischer YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 9 Location: argentina Joined: 10/15/19 Gender:	Re: Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' Reply #2 - 12/17/23 at 17:55:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Wesley So's incredible admission: "It feels like second place is already a victory whenever he [Carlsen] is playing right now because he's like Bobby Fischer back in the 1970s or 1960s. Whenever he's playing in a championship, the others are just playing for the second place." pic.twitter.com/ShiiMGsOOI — Olimpiu Di Luppi (@olimpiuurcan) July 8, 2019 1 d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c5 5.cxd5 cxd4 tabiya Carlsen,Magnus (2830) – So,Wesley (2752) [D40] CCT Final KO 2023 Toronto CAN (2.24), 16.12.2023 1. d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.Nc3 c5 5.cxd5 cxd4 6.Qxd4 exd5 7.e4 dxe4 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.Ng5 Be6 10.Bd2 Nbd7 11.Ncxe4 Nxe4 12.Nxe4 h6 13.Bc3 Rc8 14.Bd3 f6 15.0–0 Ke8 16.Be2 Kf7 17.f4 Bc5+ 18.Nxc5 Rxc5 19.Rad1 Nb6 20.Bd4 Ra521.b4! Rd5 22.Bf3 Rb5 23.Bc5 Na424.Be2 Rxc5 25.bxc5 Nc3 26.Bh5+ g6 27.Rd3 Bc4 28.Rd7+ Ke6 29.Rd6+ Kf7 30.Rc1 Ne4 31.Rd4 1–0 [Event "CCT Final KO (2023) (rapid)"] [Site "Toronto CAN"] [Date "2023.12.14"] [Round " 2"] [White "Magnus Carlsen "] [Black " Fabiano Caruana"] [Result "1-0"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 d5 4. Nc3 c5 5. cxd5 cxd4 6. Qxd4 exd5 7. e4 dxe4 8. Qxd8+ Kxd8 9. Ne5 Be6 10. Bg5 Bd6 11. O-O-O Ke7 12. Nc4 Bb4 13. Nd5+ Bxd5 14. Rxd5 Nc6 15. a3 Be1 16. Rf5 Nd4 17. Re5+ Ne6 18. Bh4 g5 19. Bxg5 Bxf2 20. Rxe4 Rac8 21. Kb1 Rc5 22. Bxf6+ Kxf6 23. Be2 Bd4 24. Rf1+ Ke7 25. Ne3 Bxe3 26. Rxe3 h5 27. Rf4 b6 28. Ra4 a5 29. Rh4 Rg8 30. g3 Rgg5 31. Rhe4 Rgf5 32. Bc4 Rc6 33. Re2 Kf6 34. Rh4 Rd6 35. Ka2 b5 36. Bb3 a4 37. Bc2 Rc5 38. Kb1 Rcd5 39. Rf2+ Ke7 40. Rf5 Rxf5 41. Bxf5 Rd5 42. Be4 Rc5 43. Bf3 Ng7 44. Rb4 Ne8 45. Be2 Nd6 46. Rh4 Re5 47. Bd3 Rc5 48. Be2 Re5 49. Bxh5 Nc4 50. Kc2 Re3 51. Bd1 Re1 52. Bf3 Re3 53. Re4+ Rxe4 54. Bxe4 Kd6 55. Bd3 Ne3+ 56. Kd2 Ng4 57. h3 Nf2 58. Bxb5 Nxh3 59. Bxa4 Ng5 60. Ke3 Ke5 61. Bc2 Ne6 62. g4 f6 63. a4 Nd4 64. Be4 Nb3 65. Bd3 Nc5 66. a5 Ne6 67. a6 * Teimour Radjabov vs Aydin Suleymanli 9th Gashimov Memorial Rapid (2023) (rapid), Baku AZE, rd 2, Dec-08 Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense (D40) • 1/2-1/2 Wesley So vs Alireza Firouzja Sinquefield Cup (2023), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 1, Nov-21 Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense (D40) • 1/2-1/2 Mariam Mkrtchyan vs Anastasia Avramidou 24th European Teams Women (2023), Budva MNE, rd 6, Nov-17 Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense (D40) • 1/2-1/2 Tomas Laurusas vs Valentin Dragnev 24th European Teams (2023), Budva MNE, rd 6, Nov-17 Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense (D40) • 1/2-1/2 Anish Giri vs Wesley So Saint Louis Rapid (2023) (rapid), Saint Louis, MO USA, rd 3, Nov-15 Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi-Tarrasch Defense (D40) • 1/2-1/2


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cathexis God Member Offline No matter where you go, there you are. Posts: 613 Joined: 03/03/20	Re: Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' Reply #1 - 12/17/23 at 14:51:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	FWIW, There was a Reddit post in r/chess about 8 months ago asking what it was. The basic answer from the discussion was that it is: "something that is solid , white hates to face and doesn't give white many chances for an advantage." That kind of rings true if Magnus meant it in a metaphorical sense, rather than actual lines of some formal "defense." https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/134ugr3/what_is_the_berlin_of_1d4/ Just a thought...


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doefmat Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 101 Joined: 04/03/17	Carlsen spoke of 'The Berlin of 1.d4?' 12/17/23 at 10:26:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yesterday Carlsen spoke of 'the berlin vs 1.d4' in the Champion Chess Tour final vs Wesley So. What line is this exactly? I didn't see all the games.

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