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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #39 - 02/23/04 at 04:31:36
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Well, 3...g5 is bad or dubious against most white 3rd moves except 3.Nf3, so h4 just seems slow and weakening. For example 3.h4?/?! d5 4.ed5 Ne7 5.c4 Nf5 intending Ng3, may be one way of exploiting the weaknesses created by h2-h4. Even simpler may be to just play as usual, 3...d5 4.ed5 Nf6 when white is not just a tempo down in the Modern defence, but also has weakened his future king's position if he castles short.
  
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Reply #38 - 02/23/04 at 02:07:40
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Just an idea, if you want to get past the "real test" of the KingsGambit (g5) why not try my nice little thought of 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.h4!? On another forum they said there could ensue better for black Cunninghams and other things but what do you all think?! Cheesy
  
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Reply #37 - 02/22/04 at 10:52:24
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[quote author=CraigEvans  link=1051657971/20#23 date=1072983341]I've got good results with [...] 3.Nh3, of which I'm not certain of the name but I'd assume it's the Tartakower gambit after the crazy man who played such oddities. 
Regards, 
Craig  ;D[/quote]

I've been playing The Eisenberg gambit (KGA 3.Nh3) quite a few times on the net by now, with generally good results and at least interesting positions.

Most common reply is [color=Red]3...g5?![/color] which is well met by 4.Nf2 and h4, and [color=Red]3...d5[/color] when 4.ed5 Bxh3 5.Qe2+ Be7 6.gxh3 is somewhere between += and =.

However, I'm not sure how to reply to [color=Blue]3...Nf6!?[/color] 
4.e5 Ne4! and Qh4+ is a dangerous threat. 
While 4.Nf2 d5 or 4.Nc3 d5 is equal at best for white, any ideas?
  
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #36 - 01/12/04 at 17:10:50
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Well the first point that Should be made is that anyone who is interested in the Kieseritzy Gambit should download the 
articles in issues 45,51 and 52 of the free Internet magazine Correspondence Chess News. There is a tremendous mass of detailed analysis.

A year ago I made a New Years resolution to stop playing The
Blackmar-Diemer Gambit for a year and instead start playing
1. e4 in almost every game. (I only scored 60% with the BDG in the ICCF Champion's league and I was lucky to manage that.)

In my very first ICCF Master Class tournament starting last year I had two Kieseritzy Gambits as white and one as black.
Following are the scores of the two games as white. (The game as black is not yet finished.) I have not yet had time to annotate these games in detail. Both of my opponents were higher rated than me. 
   
[Event "ICCF/EM/M/247"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2003.10.20"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Flude, David"]
[Black "Bohak, Janko"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 
6.Bc4 d5 7.exd5 Bd6 8.d4 Nh5 9.Nc3 O-O 10.Ne2 Qf6 
11.O-O Qxh4 12.Bxf4 Nxf4 13.Rxf4 f6 14.g3 Qg5 15.Nd3 Nd7 
16.Rf2 Nb6 17.Bb3 a5 18.a4 Qe3 19.Qc1 Re8 20.Ndf4 Qxc1+ 
21.Rxc1 Re3 22.Ng2 Rf3 23.Ne1 Re3 24.Ng2 Rf3 25.Ne1 Re3 
1/2-1/2

[Event "ICCF/EM/M/247"]
[Site "ICCF"]
[Date "2003.10.20"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Flude, David"]
[Black "Arne Klausen , Tor"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 Nf6 
6.Bc4 d5 7.exd5 Bd6 8.d4 Nh5 9.Nc3 Qe7 10.Bb5+ c6 
11.dxc6 bxc6 12.Nd5 Qe6 13.Nc7+ Bxc7 14.Bc4 Qf5 15.Bxf7+ Kd8 
16.Bxh5 Qxh5 17.Bxf4 Ba6 18.g3 Re8 19.Qd2 Qf7 20.b3 Nd7 
21.O-O-O Nxe5 22.dxe5+ Kc8 23.Rhe1 Qe6 24.Qd4 h5 25.a4 Rb8 
26.Qxa7 Bb7 27.Qe3 Ra8 28.Qc3 Ra5 29.Rd4 Re7 30.Red1 Rd5 
31.Rxd5 cxd5 32.Re1 Kb8 33.Qb4 Re8 34.Kb2 Ka8 35.c3 Ba6 
36.a5 Rb8 37.Qd4 Bc4 38.b4 Rb5 39.Kc2 Bb8 40.Qd2 Rb7 
41.Kb2  1/2-1/2

The next game is an example of my opponent playing an idea in the Fischer Variation given in "101 Chess Opening Surprises" by Graham Burgess. 14. d5 is an improvement over
14.e5 given by Burgess which looks better for black. 


[Event "IECG-CUP, Preliminary, CP-2003-p-00050"]
[Site "IECG"]
[Date "2003.09.28"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Flude, David"]
[Black "Volker Pittlik , "]
[Result "1-0"]

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d6 4.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 
6.Ng1 Qf6 7.Nc3 c6 8.Nge2 Bh6 9.g3 fxg3 10.Nxg3 Bxc1 
11.Rxc1 Ne7 12.Qd2 h5 13.Bc4 Be6 14.d5 Qe5 15.Nge2 Bd7 
16.O-O b5 17.dxc6 bxc4 18.cxd7+ Nxd7 19.Rcd1 Rb8 20.b3 Rb6 
21.Qe3 cxb3 22.axb3 Rc6 23.Nd4 Rc5 24.Na4 Rc7 25.c4 a6 
26.Nf5 Nxf5 27.Rxf5 Qe6 28.Nc3 Ne5 29.Nd5 Rb7 30.Kh1 Ng6 
31.Qd4 Rh6 32.Rf6 Qe5  1-0

  

I am hopelessly addicted to the King's Gambit
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #35 - 01/08/04 at 05:39:05
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But fans of the Chocolate gambit 1.e4 f5 2.ef Kf7 should of course take note of this opportunity...   Smiley


Never heard it called that before Smiley

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Reply #34 - 01/08/04 at 04:54:11
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Well, to play 3.Kf2 I suppose I'll have to be BBB - bored beyond belief  Cheesy

But fans of the Chocolate gambit 1.e4 f5 2.ef Kf7 should of course take note of this opportunity...   Smiley
  
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #33 - 01/07/04 at 10:19:49
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If you get really bored then you can always try "The Kings own gambit"   1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Kf2?!!? Grin ... If you look through many of the old Myers Opening Bulletins (M.O.B) you will find many of these offbeat Kings gambit lines

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Reply #32 - 01/07/04 at 09:09:05
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CraigEvans's mention of 3.Nh3 intrigued me!

Dahlgrun seems to be the only one to mention it, naming it the Eisenberg Gambit (don't know if this is after a person or perhaps an iceberg).

But is 3.Nh3 really playable or is it just something one should only play in blitz?  Undecided
  
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #31 - 01/07/04 at 06:15:18
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Sorry, guys, I'll reply asap, I am getting internet at home (I've moved recently). Replying while at work is more difficult (all my analysis are at home, of course)
  

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Reply #30 - 01/07/04 at 05:38:57
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Actually my question about what's supposedly wrong with the Bishop's gambit was directed to Semprun, who started this line. - I'd somehow gotten the idea that the first message was the latest posting...  Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #29 - 01/04/04 at 06:21:22
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Kaissiber is indeed a good magazine for those who like gambits or unusual openings. Bucker has a site (probably www.kaissiber.de) with information on every issue, and I think a new issue has recently come out, though the magazine seems to have almost a year to catch up after a delay.
  
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Reply #28 - 01/03/04 at 20:48:12
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One of my favorites is the modest 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 d5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.Be2. So I think 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Be2 d5 is not the best defense against White's 3rd move.
  
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #27 - 01/03/04 at 20:22:41
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Regarding the 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.f4 variation, Bücker has given: 3...Qf6! 4.Nf3 Bb4+ 5.Kf2 d5!, but perhaps White can improve on that.  I personally don't like the 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Be2 because I think 3...d5 is good and 3...f5! is even better.  As for the King's Gambit as a whole, if Stephan Bücker is still playing, analyzing, and writing about this opening I would try to get my hands on this if I were going to try and play 2.f4.  (Does he still put out that magazine.   I think it was called "Kassiber" or something like that.  Unfortunately I don't know German.
  
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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #26 - 01/03/04 at 19:28:28
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I used to like playing 1.e4 e5 2.f4 ef 3.Be2 the little Bishop line  Smiley

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Re: Death of King's Gambit
Reply #25 - 01/03/04 at 08:20:27
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So what's wrong with 1.e4 e5 2.f4!? exf4 3.Bc4! according to you?


I said that the bishop's gambit is playable...

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