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Re: Books on the French
Reply #24 - 10/27/05 at 15:20:12
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Add my name to the list of those who suggest Mastering the French (McDonald) and studying well annotated/commented games for learning the basics and strategies and ideas.

Let me tell how I reached my level of understanding and kowledge of the French:

I am an 1.e4 player.  My scores vs the French left much to be desired.  In retrospect, I hardly understood the positions beyond that which was explained in My System or from experience or opening books.  I saw Mastering the french at a bookstore, opened it and scanned it.  I beheld the explanations, the diagrams with arrows, the plans, everything put at my level.  I studied that book inside and out.  I started playing over games especially from New in Chess (highly recomended) back in the days and the informator (that was challenging in the beginning).   Nothing enlightened me more than that book did.  I went back to reviewing those game but with the new background knowledge of its underlying principles and plans, tactics and strategies.

I was doing all of that to learn how to play vs the French better than I did.  I gained an understanding I never had or thought I would have.  I learned that if White gets and advantage it takes as much skill to keep it as the advantages in the English.  I mean they are subltle and positionally too important.  The closed nature of the game means that maneuvering and piece placement mean a whole lot very early.  I learned the important of development schemes based on play around e6, h4 and h5 squares.  I started to see that for white in many cases it is the same scenarion Black has in the KID.  I mean, White is trying to hold Black's Q side attack (which has a head start) while he hunts Black's Kingside.  In the King's Indian that is what Black is doing.  And in the French White is trying to stifle Black's serious counterplay on d4 and the Q side.
White has to learn the tools and the tricks to protect whatever he has gained and be able to continue his own attack since the danger line is thinner than many patzers may think.  I mean, you could get in trouble as White easier than you may think.  

At this point I am at the level that when confronted with unusual moves or set ups, I know how to navigate and I feel comfortable and, most importantly, I am in greater control than before.

Look at my game vs a FM, which was published by GM McDonald in a rare line which Petrosian used to use.  Without that preparation I would have never been able to come up with g4 !  and let alone follow the scheme I did and hold Black's play on the Q-side.

Shocked Shocked  By the way, I got my senior member status with this post.  One of my more serious (or somber) post, if not the most serious.  ???
  

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Re: Books on the French
Reply #23 - 10/25/05 at 22:10:17
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Actually that 1975 book on the french was my first french book. I forgot how I got it. I have to say it is awsome. So many idears in it. I think I will take it off the book shelf now and take a look at it lol. If you play the french and feel like you must have every french book there is (like me) it is a must. 

Oh I also think Shaun Taulbut's "How to Play the French Defense" is a classic too. I really like the games he picked, I thought is was enjoyable and in fact he really goes into the line I play against the KIA, b6 and 000. 

Oh Smyslov_Fan thanks for that info on the NC6 book I asked about. I wont go crazy trying to track it down. 

You know I dont have French Defence - Suetin. I know the book is really old, but what do you guys thing about it?

Viceroy, you know now looking at all the post, it is kind of hard to pick one book to help you out with the French, the way to go I think might be find out what line you want to play, then pick the book. For instance I liked the 1st and 2nd Watson books. It had almost all the lines I play. You buy a rep book and luck to get one or two lines out of it. The latest one, I did not like, he total changed the variations from one and two. Well I guess if your a classical player, there books I would tell you to pick over others, and if your a winawer player, some do better with early 00, or Ba5, or the poision pawn, etc........

Now thinking of it, I would go with The Complete French - Psakhis, it is all the french lines rolled up in one.
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #22 - 10/05/05 at 06:18:55
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It definitely 'sounds' like a great book. Pity you can't find any GM's to write such a book is these databasedumpdays (or should that be -dumb- ?).
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #21 - 10/05/05 at 02:33:54
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Lost, 

That was indeed a great book!  It wasn't encyclopedic, rather it contained articles by several prominent players including Bent Larsen!  I don't think that book is available anymore, but it was a great idea!
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #20 - 10/04/05 at 21:50:33
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There was a 1975 book that was creatively titled "The French Defence".  The principal writer was Svetozar Gligoric, with contributions from Wolfgang Uhlmann, Mikhail Botvinnik, and Anatoly Karpov.  More than 300 pages, and it covered almost everything, unlike Watson's "Play the French".

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Re: Books on the French
Reply #19 - 10/04/05 at 04:33:51
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American correspondence GM Jon Edwards posted a short bibliography for beginners here:
http://www.princeton.edu/~jedwards/cif/kp5b.html

The first book on his list is Shaun Taulbut's "How to Play the French Defense" (Batsford 1983) which would be my first recommendation to anyone learning the lines.  It offers complete games with quite good analysis, especially of the ending.  I found a copy in a library and was able to copy what I wanted years ago.  You might be as lucky -- or you can search online.  It's a great book.
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #18 - 10/03/05 at 17:01:54
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What's the problem with MacDonald's "Starting Out in the French"?  I don't know alot about the French, but it was the first book on the French that I looked at.  It seemed ok.  It's not ok?

There is a book titled "starting out:  the french" by Byron Jacobs.  Is that the one you mean?  I've skimmed through it, and it's pretty light.  Nothing in any depth, but he does give some useful overviews and opinions about some of the main variations. Even the minor ones, like the Guimard, are covered (he doesn't like it).

Overall, I'd recommend it.  You can get these books dirt cheap on some sites.  I've bought some for $11.

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Re: Books on the French
Reply #17 - 09/18/05 at 13:30:19
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I think Chess Digest published one of its infamously useless pamphlets on the ...Nc6 Tarrasch once.  The pamphlets were almost enitrely database dumps that you could produce if you wanted to waste that much paper.  I'm not sure though.  You may want to check Chessco.com and see if you can find it there.
  
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Reply #16 - 09/17/05 at 21:16:19
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Since were talking about french books, has anyone heard of a little pamplet on Nc6 in the tarrash? I am not referring to the schiller one. I thinik I saw something once. If anyone has any info. Thanks.

Oh there is also the pederson book on the french. I hear that in December he is coming out with 2, one on nd2, and the other on the advanced.

I play the french and I have almost all the books you mentioned, man it is really hard to pick one. Watsons, any version, gives you just one book for all white replys. I kind of like how he writes, and a lot of his positions are sharp. I like them all lol.
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #15 - 09/13/05 at 22:40:42
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Depends on the variations you chose. I know an experienced French player, who loves to close the centre with c5-c4 and then castle queenside. He would never play 3...c5 against the Tarrasch though.
For me, I prefer the more classical lines in which Black plays c7-c5 and f7-f6. My hope is to start an attack against the White king at some moment. Some would call this a limited attitude.
  

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Re: Books on the French
Reply #14 - 09/13/05 at 11:05:04
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It is difficult to describe the exact mindset, but I think it is a bit like Ali. You defend when you need to, but always on the lookout for structural faults by white (ie wrecking his centre pawns when he thinks he can attack). You attack if you spot a good opportunity and you wear him out if he hasnt resigned after 25 moves.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #13 - 09/13/05 at 10:35:20
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"Play the French are repertoire books.  I dont' have a problem recommending repertoire books to people starting out.  I also agree that the French requires a certain mindset, including the willingness to defend for a few moves.  But hey, each opening requires a mindset.  If you play the Pirc in the hopes of weathering the storm in a nice shelter, you'll only get shell shock."

Totally agree with you about the Pirc. Not a passive defence at all! Could you explain a bit more about the mindset required for the French?
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #12 - 09/13/05 at 09:16:13
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While I was writing my last message, Viecroy gave us his decision.  I was going to edit my last message, then decided the more honest thing is to write a separate one.

Congrats on making a decision, Viceroy!  I hope things work out well for you.  Let us know how the books work for you, and of course feel free to discuss any issues that come up in your studies!  They're probably questions that we've either dealt with or are still dealing with ourselves!
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #11 - 09/13/05 at 09:11:39
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Willempie and iggystiv, 

Wow, I always knew that people have different learning styles, but I never guessed that I was that far out of the norm.  Ok, I did always know I was a bit strange, but that's not exactly chess related.  Grin  Ok, I withdraw my defense of Watson's book and defer to both of you.
Seriously!  You have me convinced that for some players, Watson's book may be beyond them.  It may be a matter of how we learn, but you're probably right that Uhlmann's book and Starting Out are better introductions to the French.

Oh, and I agree completely that Watson's three editions of Play the French are repertoire books.  I dont' have a problem recommending repertoire books to people starting out.  I also agree that the French requires a certain mindset, including the willingness to defend for a few moves.  But hey, each opening requires a mindset.  If you play the Pirc in the hopes of weathering the storm in a nice shelter, you'll only get shell shock.  Or if you play the Sicilian with the idea that you've got a comfortable sort of equality, you will be very uncomfortable.  Anyway, thanks  for opening my mind!  



PS:  

One of the great difficulties in writing notes versus discussing things in person is to read the tone.  I have tried in this message to show that I am sincere and not being sardonic.  If I failed, it's because I love the dry sense of humour of the Brits.  Here tho, I really meant what I said.  
  
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Re: Books on the French
Reply #10 - 09/13/05 at 09:04:17
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Thanks for all the suggestions. This is a very helpful and friendly forum!

Mastering the French: Would love to get it, but it's out of print and way too expensive second hand.

How to Play the French Defence, Taulbut: I've ordered a reasonably priced, second hand copy of this, and I think it should provide what I'm looking for.

Uhlmann's Winning with the French: I'll get that for Christmas.

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