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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #23 - 05/04/24 at 16:57:06
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...Bd6 is Luis Rodi's apporach in the The Modernized Queen's Gambit Declined, available at Forwardchess.
  
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Reply #22 - 06/18/07 at 03:18:08
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Yermo's book is The Road to Chess Improvement.

Regarding Nge2 in the QGE:  Of course the main idea of Nge2 is to play f3 and e4, but the move allows for quite a bit of interpretation.  According to the theoreticians, Nge2 is White's only real way to play for a win.  The older QGE with Nf3 is considered fairly toothless.

With Nge2, White doesn't even have to play Bg5-h4-f2 to get interesting play, and Black will never get to play the Cambridge Springs proper.  There are some oldish books which cover the QGE with Nge2 quite well, special props go to Burgess and Pederson's The Queen's Gambit for the Attacking Player.

Anyway,  White doesn't have to play f3 and e4 to play for an advantage after Nge2.  I've seen one game in which White eventually played Nge2-c1-d3-e5 and pushed d4-d5 without playing e4 and got a great game.  I think the plan is too slow to work in most cases, but there are alternatives to f3 and e4.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #21 - 06/18/07 at 02:23:33
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I think that if you want to pursue a minority attack, the knight should be on f3, because it controls more of the central squares. Since you are going to concentrate your pieces on the queenside, maybe more control of the centre is good. The knight can also hop to e5 if allowed.

Also, Nge2 is good as well, but only when you pursue the f3-e4 idea. If not, the knight on e2 seems worse because it controls less squares than a knight on f3.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #20 - 06/10/07 at 21:32:25
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Willempie wrote on 09/20/05 at 05:21:14:
Yermolinsky has an interesting chapter on this line, outlining 4 basic plans for white and why some plans dont work under certain circumstances and others do. Even I liked going through it, despite that I find it a boring line.


Which Yermolinsky book is this?
  
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Reply #19 - 06/10/07 at 21:31:36
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I think Kozlov's games are worth noting, since he seems to have a lot of experience with this line as Black, and is probably one of the strongest players who plays this line consistently (the plan of 6...Bd6 followed kingside castling).  In fact, when I researched this line earlier, I flagged Kozlov as the main model player of the Black side, since his plans seemed to most closely resemble the plans employed by the aforementioned expert.  So if one is to play 8.Nf3, White should look for improvements in Voloshin-Kozlov, since I think Kozlov's plan is one of the strongest lines at Black's disposal.  Nice concept from Black, but not much of a game to by.  In fact, I am having trouble finding a way to play for an advantage against Kozlov's plan when White castles queenside (11.O-O-O).  To be honest, I feel more comfortable with White's position after 11.O-O instead of 11.O-O-O.  Does anyone have insight into these positions?  I feel more inexperienced at handling these Nf3 QGD Exchange lines than the Nge2 variations.  Though to be honest, I have little experience in both.


Henrichs argues convincingly that the whole ...Bd6 line is inferior for Black (White should play 0-0): 5 Bg5, Nbd7; 6 e3, c6; 7 Bd3, Bd6; 8 Nge2 (Janjgava's recommendation), Nf8; 9 f3, Ne6; 10 Bh4, Qc7; 11 Rc1, g5; 12 Bf2, h5; 13 Qd2 (with idea 14 Nb5), Qb8; 14 Bg3, h4; 15 Bxd6, Qxd6; 16 Bf5, Rg8; 17 e4 with nice edge for White. (Klima-Sevcak, 1994).
  
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Reply #18 - 09/21/05 at 02:15:30
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(FYI:  If you go to a music store in America, you will find Tchaikovsky in the "T's".  This is a throw-back to some of the old Germanic-English linguists who tried to create a universal latin pronounciation.  Well, it didn't work.)
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #17 - 09/21/05 at 00:13:50
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"choo choo train"
Here you are. If you want to explain a Dutchman, how to pronounce this, you can write tsjoe tsjoe treen. That's why I spell the composer's name
Pjotr Tsjaikovski (or y).

The combination ch is in Dutch almost always the same as the guttural g. That is why Chalifman for me makes more sense than Khalifman.
Do not mind about the Russian alphabet, I know it a bit - it is similar to the Greek one.
  

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #16 - 09/20/05 at 23:09:14
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In English, probably the most straight-forward way to write the composer of the Nutcracker's name is:

Pyotr Chaikovsky.  I don't have a Cyrrilic keyboard, so I can't really show you the Russian.

Khalifman actually makes sense in English.  The letter X (kha) is pronounced by preparing to say "Ka" but you don't use your larynx.  It sounds very much like the ch in "Bach".  But if you put Ch at the front of a word in English, it's usually pronounce "ch" as in choo choo train.  (English has so many exceptions however, that general rules often fail when trying to spell.  For instance, "Christmas" is pronounced as a "K".)

There is no "h" sound in Russian, and one of the dead give-aways for a Russian accent is how they pronounce their 'h's.   When Botvinnik was first writing about his protege, Garrik, he made the mistake of translating his name to "Harry Kasparov!"

Okay, I know, that has nothing to do with the QGD Exchange.  Sorry, SORRY!  Nothing to see here, let's move along!   Wink
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #15 - 09/20/05 at 22:22:57
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In every language the spelling of Russian names is different I am afraid. The English version does not make much sense to me either. Sometimes an y, sometimes an i is used for the same sound. Moreover I have always found it silly to write Chalifman as Khalifman - the correct pronunciation is really not with a hard k.
Smyslov_fan, could you give a fonetic spelling for Kortchnoi or Tchaikovsky? I cannot assume, that it is with the guttural g, which is so popular in both Dutch and Arab.
I would welcome a logical and understandable standardization, as I own CD's from:
Tchaikovsky
Tchaikovski
and Tschaikowsky

Moreover I have seen
Tschaikowski
Tchaïkovski
Cajkovskij
Ciaikovski
and probably I have missed a few.
  

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #14 - 09/20/05 at 12:31:42
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WOW!! You guys have come up with a lot of stuff for me to look through! This is great, thanks everyone.

tafl: I think you may be onto something in regard to the knight being better on f3 than on e2. I had a hunch that was the case--And now I have an actual reason why that might be true. In the lines where white castles queenside, sometimes black starts a pawn storm immediately with b7-b5. When the knight is on f3, black's b5-b4 isn't as annoying to deal with since the c3 knight can drop back to e2. In the lines where white plays Nge2, the only option I think is Na4, which might not be as convenient.

X: I'll have a look at Kozlov's games to see what I think.

Smyslov_Fan: I'll be sure to look at Jussupow-Nogueiras.

Anyway, gotta get back to work. Thanks again.
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #13 - 09/20/05 at 09:40:20
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Boy, 

I now know my memory isn't what it used to be.  I bet it was indeed the Yusupov-Nogeiras game that I was thinking of when I spoke of the Beliavsky-Granda Zuniga game.

BTW, I know ChessBase has a lot to answer for in its transliterations of Russian names to the Latin alphabet, but I just don't get the way the Dutch and others here are spelling Russian names.  Ok, Yusupov is now a German citizen (isn't he?), and has probably legally changed his name.

But how on earth does the letter "Che" become tsj or whatever it is?  The "Che" in Korchnoi is hard, there's no "s" sound in it.  At least not in Russian.  Angry

I can accept that Belyavsky ("Ya" is a single letter in Russian) can be changed to Beliavsky as long as everyone knows it's not Bel-ee-av-skee, but some of these others are just plain ugly and don't make much sense to me.  (I do know that "ch" in German is often pronounce "kh", but that could be fixed by spelling his name: Kortchnoi!)

Okay, enough ranting about mispronounciations and spellings!  Wink
  
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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #12 - 09/20/05 at 08:57:05
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I think Kozlov's games are worth noting, since he seems to have a lot of experience with this line as Black, and is probably one of the strongest players who plays this line consistently (the plan of 6...Bd6 followed kingside castling).  In fact, when I researched this line earlier, I flagged Kozlov as the main model player of the Black side, since his plans seemed to most closely resemble the plans employed by the aforementioned expert.  So if one is to play 8.Nf3, White should look for improvements in Voloshin-Kozlov, since I think Kozlov's plan is one of the strongest lines at Black's disposal.  Nice concept from Black, but not much of a game to by.  In fact, I am having trouble finding a way to play for an advantage against Kozlov's plan when White castles queenside (11.O-O-O).  To be honest, I feel more comfortable with White's position after 11.O-O instead of 11.O-O-O.  Does anyone have insight into these positions?  I feel more inexperienced at handling these Nf3 QGD Exchange lines than the Nge2 variations.  Though to be honest, I have little experience in both.
  

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Reply #11 - 09/20/05 at 06:11:01
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Yeah you're right, though I think (havent got the book here) he has some comment about a potential Bf4-d6 standoff. Will check if it applies or not.
  

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Reply #10 - 09/20/05 at 05:57:12
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I am quite sure Yermolinsky only examines lines with an early ...Be7.
  

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Reply #9 - 09/20/05 at 05:21:14
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Yermolinsky has an interesting chapter on this line, outlining 4 basic plans for white and why some plans dont work under certain circumstances and others do. Even I liked going through it, despite that I find it a boring line.
  

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #8 - 09/20/05 at 04:21:51
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Castling first is rare, and very hard for Black to play, as he has problems untangling his queenside. After 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bg5 c6 6.e3 Bd6 7.Nf3 Nbd7 8.Bd3 0-0 9.Qc2, the h-pawn is already hanging. And 9...h6 weakens the king's position, making h3 and g4 very tempting. Statistics often are misleading, but I believe White's 70% score in 155 games in my (admittedly old) database tells something about the position.

I think this game illustrates Black's problems (even though Black plays fairly weakly):

Ivanov,I - Johnstone,G [D35]
CAN-op Winnipeg (5), 1994
1.d4 e6 2.c4 d5 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.e3 c6 7.Nc3 Bd6 8.Bd3 0-0 9.Qc2 h6 10.Bh4 Re8 11.0-0-0 Nf8 12.Kb1 Bg4 13.h3 Bh5 14.g4 Bg6 15.g5 Bh5 16.gxf6 Bxf3 17.Rhg1 g5 18.Bxg5 hxg5 19.Rxg5+ Kh8 20.Rdg1 Nd7 21.Be2 Qxf6 22.Bxf3 Qxf3 23.R1g4 Qh1+ 24.Nd1 Qxh3 25.Qf5 1-0

Black, however, has one nice tactical idea:

Voloshin,L - Kozlov,O [D35]
Decin op-A Decin (9), 1998
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 c6 5.cxd5 exd5 6.Bg5 Nbd7 7.e3 Bd6 8.Qc2 0-0 9.Bd3 h6 10.Bh4 Re8 11.0-0-0 Qa5 12.Kb1 Ne4! 13.Nxe4 dxe4 14.Bxe4? (14.Nd2 is fine for White) 14...Rxe4 15.Qxe4 Nf6 and White seems to be busted: 16.Qc2 Bf5 17.Rd3 Nd5 18.a3 Qb5 19.Rhd1 Bxa3 20.Rxa3 Nb4 21.e4 Nxc2 22.Kxc2 Bxe4+ 23.Kc1 Qc4+ 24.Rc3 Qa4 0-1
  

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Reply #7 - 09/20/05 at 03:18:56
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Tafl, the difference in the plans in the games you listed from the original question is that Black is playing ...Nf8 before castling kingside.  If Black intends to castle first, how do you think White should play in response 8.Nf3 O-O?  (which is what I am guessing kevinludwig would like to know)
  

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Reply #6 - 09/20/05 at 02:35:48
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I believe Dvoretsky  somewhere analyses this game quite instructively (yes, White's knight already is on f3 but that probably is his most promising set-up against ...Bd6 anyway):

[Event "Candidates Tournament"]
[Site "Montpellier"]
[Date "1985.10.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Jussupow,Artur"]
[Black "Nogueiras,Jesus"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "D35"]
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Nbd7 6.cxd5 exd5 7.e3 Bd6 8.Bd3 Nf8 9.Ne5 Qb6 10.0-0 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.Qa4 Qxb2 13.Rac1 Bd7 14.Qd4 f6 15.exf6 gxf6 16.Bxf6 Rg8 17.Nb5 Qxb5 18.Bxb5 Ne6 19.Qb2 cxb5 20.Bh4  1-0

Ljubojevic used to be the main exponent of this line. One of his last tries was this:
[Event "Tilburg"]
[Site "Tilburg"]
[Date "1989.09.??"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Hjartarson,Johann"]
[Black "Ljubojevic,Ljubomir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "D35"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Bg5 Nbd7 5.cxd5 exd5 6.e3 c6 7.Bd3 Bd6 8.Nf3 Nf8 9.Ne5 Qb6 10.0-0 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Ng4 12.Qa4 Qxb2 13.Rac1 a5 14.Nb5 Ne6 15.Nd6+ Kf8 16.Qxg4 Qxe5 17.Nxc8 h5 18.Nb6 hxg4 19.Nd7+ Ke8 20.Nxe5 Nxg5 21.Rb1 Ne6 22.Rxb7 Rh5 23.Nxf7 Nc5 24.Bg6  1-0

Black of course doesn't have to play 9...Qb6, but then his set-up loses most of its point.


  

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #5 - 09/20/05 at 00:57:34
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I'm sorry I didn't even notice that Black played Bd6 instead of Be7.  There was some game, I think between Belyavsky and Julio Granda Zuniga, which Robert Byrne analysed, showing ...Bd6 to be bad.  It was published several years ago in the NY Times, does anyone remember what I'm talking about, or was it just another dream?
  
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Reply #4 - 09/19/05 at 21:23:37
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By the way, if you haven't already, I suggest you check out Henrich's ChessBase CD on the QGD Exchange.  It's the best source I have seen on this opening!
  

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Reply #3 - 09/19/05 at 20:49:44
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The 6...Bd6 move is not given much attention in books, but I think it deserves study, since Black is aiming for an ideal attacking setup against kingside castling.  I know an expert that has used this plan to good effect, without knowledge of main line theory.  The interesting thing about this move is that the most direct methods to counter this setup seem to fail in pursuit of the advantage.  I think 11.h3 is a good waiting move, leaving castling to either side in the air.  If Black continues with his plan of ...Nf8-e6, White can castle queenside, when Black's setup is probably not ideal.  I think White has good attacking chances in the scenario Black plays 11...Nf8, and White responds with 12.O-O-O.  Here are some examples of attacking ideas for White in this scenario. 

[Event "?"]
[Site "Dresden op"]
[Date "1994.??.??"]
[White "Paehtz,T"]
[Black "Mueller,Mi"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D31"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Be7 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bf4
Nf6 6. e3 c6 7. Bd3 O-O 8. h3 Bd6 9. Nge2
Re8 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bh4 Nbd7 12. Qc2 Nf8 13. O-O-O
b5 14. Kb1 Be6 15. g4 Rc8 16. Rhg1 a6 17. g5
Nh5 18. f4 Bd7 19. Bf2 Kh8 20. Ng3 Nxg3 21. Rxg3
b4 22. gxh6 gxh6 23. Rdg1 Ne6 24. Qd1 Qf6 25. Na4
Rb8 26. Bc2 Nc7 27. Qh5 Re4 28. Rg6 Qxg6 29. Rxg6
Bf8 30. Rxh6+ Bxh6 31. Qxh6+ Kg8 32. Bxe4 dxe4 33. Qd6 b3 34. Qxc7 bxa2+ 35. Ka1 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "Budapest"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Thallinger,Harald"]
[Black "Jamrich,Gyorgy"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E00"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5
c6 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Bd6 8. Bd3 O-O 9. Nge2
Nbd7 10. Qc2 Re8 11. h3 Nf8 12. O-O-O Be6 13. g4
Be7 14. f4 N6h7 15. Bf2 Bh4 16. Bxh4 Qxh4 17. Rdg1
Bd7 18. Rg3 Rac8 19. Rhg1 g5 20. R1g2 c5 21. Bxh7+
Nxh7 22. f5 h5 23. Ng1 hxg4 24. hxg4 cxd4 25. exd4
Nf6 26. Nf3 Qh6 27. Rh2 Qg7 28. Ne5 b5 29. Rgh3
Re7 30. Qd1 b4 31. Qh1 Kf8 32. Rh8+ Ng8 33. R2h7
Qf6 34. Rh6 Qg7 35. f6 1-0

[Event "?"]
[Site "Slovak League"]
[Date "1995.??.??"]
[White "Lancz,Ondrej"]
[Black "Lukac,Roman"]
[Round "2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E00"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5
c6 6. e3 h6 7. Bh4 Bd6 8. Bd3 O-O 9. Nge2
Re8 10. Qc2 Nbd7 11. h3 Nf8 12. g4 Ne6 13. O-O-O
b5 14. Rhg1 Bb7 15. Bf5 Ng5 16. Bxg5 hxg5 17. h4
b4 18. hxg5 bxc3 19. gxf6 cxb2+ 20. Kb1 Qxf6 21. g5
Qd8 22. Rh1 Ba6 23. g6 Qf6 24. gxf7+ Kxf7 25. Rhg1
g5 26. Nc3 Rh8 27. e4 Bf4 28. exd5 Kg7 29. dxc6
Qxc6 30. Be4 Qd6 31. Bxa8 Rxa8 32. Rh1 Qg6 33. Qxg6+
Kxg6 34. Kxb2 Bb7 35. Rhe1 Rb8 36. Kc2 Bc8 37. d5
Bf5+ 38. Ne4 Rc8+ 39. Kd3 Be5 40. Rc1 Rd8 41. Rc6+
Kf7 42. Kc4 Bxe4 43. Rxe4 Bf4 44. Kc5 Bh2 45. d6
Bg1 46. Rc7+ Kf6 47. Kc6 Bxf2 48. d7 Bb6 49. Re8
1-0

If Black switches plans with 11...Qa5 (which is a better move against queenside castling), White can castle kingside and play for e4.  Here is a model game for White by Volkov:

[Event "?"]
[Site "Ekaterinburg RUS Cup"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[White "Volkov,Sergey"]
[Black "Kozlov,Oleg"]
[Round "6"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D35"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 exd5 5. Bg5
c6 6. e3 Nbd7 7. Qc2 Bd6 8. Bd3 h6 9. Bh4
O-O 10. Nge2 Re8 11. h3 Qa5 12. Bg3 Bxg3 13. Nxg3
c5 14. O-O c4 15. Bf5 b5 16. e4 b4 17. Nxd5
Nxd5 18. exd5 Nb6 19. Bxc8 Raxc8 20. d6 g6 21. Ne4
Nd7 22. Rfe1 Kg7 23. a3 bxa3 24. Re3 a2 25. Qc3
Qd5 26. Nc5 Rxe3 27. fxe3 Qxd6 28. Rxa2 Qc7 29. Ra5
Kg8 30. Qa3 Ra8 31. Ne4 Nb6 32. Re5 Kg7 33. Re7
Qd8 34. Nd6 1-0

There are many subtleties in this system, so sometimes it is hard to decide which plan to commit to, especially when the opponent is playing such a principled system.  My first intuition was to play for e4 by preparing f3, but as you mentioned this is not so simple.  Looking at the game by Volkov led me to realize that perhaps the best strategy is to meet this direct strategy with a subtle waiting move, keeping options open against the next commital move.

Let me know what you think.  The expert I mentioned has given many class A players and experts a headache here, and I know he has beaten at least one IM with this system as Black, so it certainly has its poison.  I think this line has worked well for him, since many players are out of book and confused when their usual plans do not work as well.  Also I think another factor is that his general understanding of the game is much stronger than his knowledge of theory.  This setup really tests one's understanding of the QGD exchange.  It was delightful to see his games against stronger players, where he invented his own theory and got an excellent position!
  

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #2 - 09/19/05 at 19:42:36
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Smyslov_Fan: I checked the Kasparov-Andersson game, and I agree that it is a great model game--I only played through it quickly, but I'll have to spend some time with it. 
Unfortunately, the game is different from mine in one very important respect: In Kasparov-Andersson, 6. ...Be7 was played, while in my game, 6. ...Bd6 was played. That means that I can't play 11. f3?? because the e3 pawn would hang (11. ...Rxe3). Moreover, black seems compelled in my game to play 9. ...h6 because white is threatening 10. Bxh7+, winning a pawn. But white can consider playing 13. f3 (instead of my 13. Rab1). I found one game in the new in chess database where this was played (white won). 

On a more general note, when white plays the minority attack in these positions, should he really be expecting to get much of anything? My opponent told me after the game that he felt the line I played (i.e. minority attack) was pretty drawish. I thought that was kind of absurd, but then the game ended in a draw--so I wasn't really in a position to argue much!

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Re: QGD Exchange game
Reply #1 - 09/19/05 at 18:49:23
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Kevin, 

I often play the same opening that you do, and the first game I would suggest you look at is Kasparov-Andersson, Belfort 1988.  I prefer the idea of playing 11.f3 here, to leave your options open.  I also get to play Bh4-f2 where it's surprisingly strong.  I think if you do a database check, you will find that Black doesn't usually chase the B in this exchange variation precisely because it can bounce back to a great square on f2.

I don't like g4 in this position because my main idea is to defend the d4 pawn and push e4 with an advantage in the center.  I haven't yet committed my king, but I plan to castle queenside. The move order allows me to transpose into Kasparov-Andersson (he castled kingside) or play the slightly more popular 0-0-0.  

Good luck, and let me know what you think!
  
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09/19/05 at 17:54:01
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I played a QGD exchange game last Friday, and felt that I had got a good position, but I was never able to make anything of it. I went for what I thought was a very typical minority attack, leaving black with a backward pawn on c6, but when I looked up the position in chessbase, there were almost no games in the line I played. There were quite a few games with 0-0-0 and g4 played in some order, but that looked fairly risky to me during the game.
So I was wondering if the minority attack wasn't correct in that exact position (I know I can try the f3-e4 ideas also), and maybe Nge2 isn't so good against black's setup with Bd6? Or some other idea I'm missing? Any help or ideas welcome...

The moves are:
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. cxd5 cxd5 5. Bg5 c6 6. e3 Bd6 7. Bd3 0-0 8. Nge2 Re8 9. Qc2 h6 10. Bh4 Nbd7. Here is where I considered 11. g4 during the game, or 11. 0-0-0 intending to play g4 soon. After a few minutes thought, I decided it was more an idea for blitz. After the game, as I said, I looked in chessbase and I think 0-0-0 is the most played here, but I don't recall a game that was all that convincing for white. I haven't looked with Fritz yet, so maybe 0-0-0 or g4 might be OK or even good...I don't know yet. Anyway I continued: 11. Bg3 Nf8 12. 0-0 Ne6 13. Rab1 Qc7?! I think 13. ...a5 is good here. 14. Bxd6?! In retrospect, I don't think there was any reason at all to do this, but I don't know if it changes things that much either. Qxd6 15. b4 a6 16. a4 Bd7 17. b5 axb5 18. axb5 Rfc8 19. bxc6 bxc6 20. Na4. Here I thought my position was good, but it just never really went anywhere. Eventually it was drawn, and I even figured out near the end where I should have lost a pawn and the game. So I guess I was lucky to draw? 

Thanks for any help.
  
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