I'd think that black is at least equal in that game, yes. However, 9...c6 is certainly not the strongest move and some of black's follow-up was also a little ropey. Black can probably equalise in the Quaade anyway, but he certainly cannot get an advantage, and if white understands the position then the endgame will give him far better winning chances than black. The only game I've managed to play in correspondence as white (it is, for some reason, extremely difficult to find willing opponents to play either side of the Quaade) was also against Mr Canizares, and although I cannot track down the game score at the moment, I seem to remember winning in a long endgame where white had a small edge throughout. Black's defensive task OTB would be even harder when confronted with the line (since the number of people in my league who are aware of the Quaade's existence, let alone how to play either side, amounts to one), and considering the current state of play in the other lines, the Quaade looks as good as anything after 3.Nf3.

With reference to the Hamppe-Allgaier, Tim Harding's column gave this as better for black. However, in my dabbling in correspondence with this line I've played four games (two with both colours) and every game has ended in a draw. Three of these tested the critical line and while black reached the endgame a piece for two pawns up each time, the endgame proved too difficult to win. Certainly white gets an attack, but whether it's sufficient is another matter, and a highly debatable one.

The rosentreter is something of the "poor cousin" of these openings, being both the least explored and probably the least sound. However at club level this opening can be pretty devestating.

Regards,
Craig

Aha, the proper Q & R, I was thinking of the lines where white allows g5-g4xNf3 as in the famous Fedorov-Adams game, while we would be less inclined to bring up Morozevich-Aleksandrov... MNb and Dragonslayer had some good posts on this I think.

I remember that I did look a lot at the Quaade back in 1997, but didn't find more than a drawish ending. Though the ...gxh1Q Qh5!+- trap is tempting, I doubt one would get to play it much...

After a quick look in the database - - wouldn't you say you equalised as black in the 2nd of those Ne3 games?


Canizares Cuadra,P (2035) - Evans,C (1948) [C37]
TH-M-2333.1 IECC, 02.01.2004

1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Nc3 g4 5.Ne5 Qh4+ 6.g3 fxg3 7.Qxg4 Qxg4 8.Nxg4 d5 9.Ne3 c6 10.exd5 Nf6 11.hxg3 Bd6 12.Ne2 Nxd5 13.b3 Nxe3 14.dxe3 Be5 15.Rb1 Bg4 ½-½

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1) The Quaade or Rosentreter are *probably* OK for white, though as noted it requires a piece investment and may lead to forced draws if black has done his homework...

2) Well, I for one didn't find 3...Ne7 so fantastic, i.e. there are more interesting lines imo. In SOS 3 there's a similar idea of 3...Nd7 against the QG, and there it might have more surprise value...

3) 3.Be2?! is well met by 3...f5! as we concluded in the FKG thread one upon a time in the not to distant good ol' days. 3.Qf3 Nc6 4.c3 is supposedly the critical line, Reti analysed it in the Lärobok in the 1920s.

I admit that I haven't looked into 3.Nc3 or 3.d4, there's supposedly a few forced draws I imagine, or is white even worse? OTB as surprise weapons I still think they have some bite - especially when playing a stronger player who won't be taking the draw.

Btw, does every new thread have to start with 'A New Look At' ??? 

Btw2, it would be nice to hear from the admin about the fate of the missing threads. - I for one miss the FKG thread and it's record +7000 views... 

And if they're all gone, how come the system still knows how many posts each of us have done ???