MamboVipi wrote on 10/09/07 at 21:51:50:
That line is also given in Taylor's book but after 11.Qd3 black can play 11...Nc6 and now 12.0-0 f4 doesn't give white an advantage I think: 13.d5 Nb4 14.Qe2 fxe3 (maybe even Nxe3) but it's quite unclear. That's why I started looking for an earlier improvement for white.
Oh yes indeed, this line is Taylor's book ... At least that means I agree with him
On 11...Nc6 I play 12.c3 without any thoughts and I think the problem remains the same, Black Bishop is just misplaced on e7, don't you think ?
Quote:After 8.Bf4 I would suggest 8...Nc6 and now 9.Bxd6+ Qxd6 10.c3!? (10.Nc3 cxd4 11.Rd1 Qg6 looks OK for black) 10...Bd7 =+ or 9.c3 f5 10.Bxd6+ Qxd6 11.Qd3 cxd4 12.Nbd2 Ne3!? is interesting but no problem for black.
So I think my line starting with 8.d5 is more promising.
Your variations seem quite correct. You re right Kf8 may be not so bad, and your variation with 8.d5 better than mine . That's funny that this ugly move cannot be refuted.
Quote:By the way le_gars, nice website you have on the Bird!
Thanks, I hope you understand french a little bit
I just come back to your previous thread :
Quote:1.f4 e5 2.fxe5 d6 3.exd6 Bxd6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.d4 Ng4 6.Qd3 c5 7.Qe4+ Be6 8.Ng5 Bxh2 9.Nxe6 Qh4+ 10.Kd2 fxe6 11.Rxh2 Qg5+ 12.e3 Nxh2 13.Qxe6+ Kd8 14.Qd6+ Nd7 15.Qxh2 Rf8 16.Be2 (my opponent told me he only knew an other line: 16.Ke1 cxd4 followed by, I assume, Be2) now my opponent played 16...Rf2
(Taylor gives 16...cxd4 17.Kd1 dxe3 18.c4 Rf2 19.Nc3 Qxg2 20.Qxg2 Rxg2 21.Bxe3 with a winning ending). My reply was 17.Qxh7?! with should have led to a draw after 17...cxd4 18.Kd1 Rxe2! 19.Kxe2 Qxg2+ 20.Kd3 Qf1+ 21.Kxd4 and black can get a perpetual check with either 21...Qf6+ or 21...Qxc1 22.Qg8 Kc7 23.Qxa8 Qxb2+ 24.Nc3 Qb4+ 25.Kd3 Ne5+ 26.Kd2 Nc4+
So a better move should be 17.dxc5. I analyzed this move a bit with rybka and came up with the following line 17...Nxc5 18.Nc3 Ke7 19.Qc7+ Kf8 20.Qd6+ Kf7 21.Ke1 Rxg2 22.Qf4+ Qxf4 23.exf4 Re8 24.Kf1 Rh2 and I think white is better, but this is quite complicated stuff!
16.Re1 was the main line before Taylor's book. Not sure if his move 16.Be2 is an improvement or not.
In my theory, I have the following statement after 16.Be2 : "if Black plays something else than 16...cxd4, then dxc5 is winning because of the material advantage". Hum, that s the kind of theorical winning game that is just unclear OTB. The problem of the main lines following 13.Qe6+ is just they are just unclear. You can spend hours on them but OTB it won t prove very useful because of the many possibilities for both sides.
Quote:Is 5.g3 an easier way to play for an advantage for White?
It is another way to play for an advantage, but certainly not easier.
Let me suggest you something else, the almost unknown 7.Nc3!? . Here are a few variations :
- 7…cxd4 8.Qxd4 0-0 9.Bg5 (9.Nb5!?) 9…Nc6 10.Qxg4 (10.Qd2!?) 10…Bxg4 11.Bxd8 Rfxd8 12.0-0-0 Bf4+ 13.Kb1 Rxd1 14.Nxd1, +=
- 7…Nc6 8.Bg5 (8.dxc5?! Bxc5 9.Qxd8 Txd8 10.Ne4 Bb6, =; 8.Qe4+!? Be6 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.e3, += ) 8…f6 9.dxc5 Bxc5 10.Qxd8+ Kxd8 11.0-0-0+ Re8 12.Rd5! Bf2 (12…Nf2 13.Rxc5 Nxh1 14.Be3 et le Knight won't get out) 13.Bf4, +=.
These lines have almost never been played, but seem very interesting to me.