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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #12 - 07/30/06 at 16:37:08
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And that's my favourite game in this line! Cheesy

J. Polgar - K. Pytel Royan 1988

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxc4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. Nf3 b6 8. Bc4 Bb7 9. Qe2 c6 10. 000 Qc7 11. Kb1 Nd7 12. Rhe1 000 13. Ba6 bxa6 14. Qxa6+ Kb8 15. Qe2 Rhg8 16. g3 f5 17. N4d2 Rg4 18. Nc4 Bf6 19. Ne3 R4g8 20. Ng2 Nf8 21. Bf4 Ng6 22. Nh5 Bh8 23. Qe3 c5 24. dxc5 bxc5 25. Qb3+ Ka8 26. Nd2 Rb8 27. Qf3+ Qb7 28. Qxb7+ Rxb7 29. b3 Ng5 30. f4 Ng4 31. Re2 Rd7 32. Kc1 Rgd8 33. Rh1 Ne3 34. Rxe3 Rxd2 35. h3 Rg2 36. Rd1 Bb2+ 37. Kxb2 Rxd1 38. Rc3 Rh1 39. h4 Kb7 40. Rxc5 Rd1 41. Rc3 Rd8 42. a4 Rc8 43. b4 Rxc3 44. kxc3 Kc6 45. Kd3 Rg1 46. c4 Rb1 47. Kc3 h6 48. Nf6 Ra1 49. Kb3 Re1 50. b5+ Kc5 51. Nd7+ Kd6 52. Nf6 Re3+ 53. Kb4 Rxg3 54. c5+ Ke7 55. b6 axb6 56. cxb6 Kd6 57. Kb5 Rb3+ 58. Ka6 Kc6 59. a5 e5 60. fxe5 f4 61. Ng4 h5 62. Nh2 f3 63. Nf1 f2 64. Ka7 Rb5 0-1
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #11 - 07/25/06 at 14:25:42
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on to why moro has not played the french as often its because he has been playing the sicilian which he played rather well in san luis. He also ventures out e5 from time to time. 

  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #10 - 07/24/06 at 12:38:47
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In the little known game below GMI Dragutin Sahovic chose the main continuation against Burn set-up. I hope it may be useful for someone.

D. Sahovic - K. Pytel Marseille 1988

1. d4 e6 2. e4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. Nf3 b6 8. Bd3 Bb7 9. Qe2 c6 10. 000 Qc7 11. Kb1 Nd7 12. c4 000 13. a3 Kb8 14. Nc3 Rhe8 15. Rhe1 Nf8 16. g3 f5 17. Bc2 Bf6 18. Bxf5 exf5 19. Qxe8 Rxe8 20. Rxe8+ Bc8 21. Rxf8 Qe7 22. Rg8 Kb7 23. Re1 Qd6 24. R1e8 Be6 25. Rb8+ Ka6 26. c5 bxc5 27. Na4 Bxd4 28. Rgd8 Bd7 29. Nxd4 Qxd4 30. Nxc5+ Qxc5 31. Rd7 Qxf2 32. Rd6 Qf1+ 33. Ka2 Qc4+ 34. Rb3 h5 35. Rh6 f4 36. Rxh5 fxg3 37. hxg3 Qe6 38. Rc5 f5 39. R5c3 Qd5 40. Rf3 c5 41. Rfd5 Qe6 42. Re3 Qd5 43. Rf3 Ka5 44. Rf4 Qe6 45. a4 a6 46. Ka3 Qe1 47. Rc3 Kb6 48. R1c4 Qa1+ 49. Kb3 Qd1+ 50. Ka2 Qd5 51. b3 Qg2+ 52. Ka3 Qg1 53. Rxc5 Qa1+ 54. Kb4 Qe1 55. a5+ Kb7 56. Rc7+ Kb8 57. Rb8+ Kb7 58. R8c7+ Kb8 59. Rc6 Kb7 60. R6c5 Qb8 61. Rd5 Qe4+ 62. Kc5 Qe7+ 63. Kc4 Qe4+ 64. Rd4 Qc6+ 65. Kd3 Qb5+ 66. Rdc4 Qxa5 67. Ke3 Qe5+ 68. Kf3 Kb7 69. Re3 Qd6 70. R4c3 Qg6 71. Rc4 Qa6 72. Rf4 Qa1+ 73. Kf2 Qd2+ 74. Re2 Qd5 75. Rb4+ Kc6 76. Rf4 a5 77. Rc4+ Kb5 78. Re3 Qd2+ 79. Kf3 Qd1+ 80. Kf4 Qg4+ 81. Ke5 Qg5 82. Rf3 Qg6 83. Rxf4 Kc6 84. Rc3+ Kd7 85. Rd3+ Ke7 86. Rxf5 Qb6 87. Kf4 Qh6+ 88. Kf3 Qc6+ 89. Rfd5 a4 90. bxa4 Qxa4 91. Rf5 Qc6+ 92. Rad5 Ke6 93. Kg4 Qc4+ 94. Kh5 Qc3 95. Rde5+ Kd6 96. g4 Qh3+ 97. Kg5 Qg3 98. Rd5+ Ke6 99. Ra5 Qb8 100. Ra6+ Ke7 101. Rg6 Qb2 102. Rgf6 Qg2 103. Rf4 Qa8 104. Rf7+ Ke6 105. R4f6+ Ke5 106. Ra7+ Kd4 107. R7e6 Qg8+ 108. Kf4 Qb8+ 109. Rd6+ Kc3 110. g5 Qb4+ 111. Kg3 Qe4 112. Rf3+ Kc2 113. Rdf6 Qe5+ 114. Kg4 Qe4+ 115. Rbf4 Qe8 116. Rf5 Kd2 117. Rf6 Qe4+ 118. R3f4 Qe2+ 119. Rf3 Qe4+ 120. Kh3 Qh7+ 121. Kg3 Qh5 122. R3f5 Qh1 123. g6 Qg1+ 124. Kh4 Qh2+ 125. Kg5 Qg3+ 126. Kh6 Qh4+ 127. Kg7 Qd4 128. Kh7 Qh4+ 129. Kg8 Qc4+ 130. Rf7 Kc2 131. g7 Kb2 132. Kh7 Qh4+ 133. Kg6 Qg4+ 134. Rg5 Qe6+ 135. Rf6 Qe4+ 136. R6f5 Qe6+ 137. Kh7 Qd7 138. Kh8 Qd4 139. Rh5 Ke3 140. Rh6 Kc2 141. R5f6 1-0
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #9 - 07/23/06 at 18:27:06
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dom wrote on 07/22/06 at 09:34:14:
@glycerinpony: the game Ivanchuk-Volkov,StVincent 2005 was subject of Chesspublishing update september 2005 (and you have the analysis if you are member). I'll try to find some analysis.

@M.Pytel: merci pour la partie, le debut  est dans un des livres de Psakhis.


De rien. Je ne savais pas que L. Psakhis a inclu cette partie dans son livre. J'espere qu'elle est interessante.
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #8 - 07/22/06 at 11:45:56
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One link about Ivanchuk-Volkov:

http://schach.wienerzeitung.at/Default.aspx?id=4427  (commented by GM Balinov, in german language)

  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #7 - 07/22/06 at 09:34:14
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@glycerinpony: the game Ivanchuk-Volkov,StVincent 2005 was subject of Chesspublishing update september 2005 (and you have the analysis if you are member). I'll try to find some analysis.

@M.Pytel: merci pour la partie, le debut  est dans un des livres de Psakhis.
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #6 - 07/09/06 at 17:38:43
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Once 7. g4 was tried but without any success.

J. Hector - K. Pytel Nantes 1987

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. g4 Bd7 8. Ng3 Bc6 9. f3 h5 10. gxh5 f5 11. Qd2 Bg5 12. Qc3 f4 13. Ne4 Bh4+ 14. Kd2 Nd7 15. Rd1 Nf6 16. Kc1 Nd5 17. Qd3 Ne3 18. Rd2 Qd5 19. c4 Qa5 20. Nh3 000 21. a3 Qf5 22. Nhg5 Bxg5 23. Qxf5 Nxf5 24. d5 Bf6 25. dxc6 bxc6 26. Rxd8+ Rxd8 27. Be2 Bd4 28. Kb1 Be3 29. Bd1 Nd4 30. Ng5 f6 31. Ne4 f5 32. Ng5 Rh8 33. h4 Rxh5 34. Rh2 Kd7 35. Ng7 Ke7 36. Ne5 Rh7 37. c5 Kf6 38. Nc4 e5 39. b4 e4 40. fxe4 fxe4 41. Kb2 Nf5 42. Bc2 Bd4+ 43. Kc1 Ng3 44. Na5 f3 45. Bb3 e3 46. Bc4 e2 0-1
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #5 - 05/27/06 at 12:58:59
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[quote author=lnn2 link=1142914267/0#2 date=1148024414]hello,

after moro's 7. Nf3 a6, don't think a move like 8.g3 can refute blacks opening, unless its Kasparov on the White side. 8. c4 was the main problem (according to Finkel in CBM), but imho its only a medium-sized problem, not unsolvable. To avoid 8. c4, volkov played 7... f5 against ivanchuk to force 8. Nc3 (8. Ng3 c5= Psakhis), but after 8. Nc3 a6 9. g3 b5 10. Bg2 Bb7 11. 0-0 c5 12. d5 b4, we now know the "misplaced" knight on c3 can be given up! (Ivanchuk-Volkov, European Club Cup 05). Still i think the theory is rather unclear and its not inconceivable that Black can find a defence with Fritz in 2010... 

The Ivanchuk game does not look at all clear to me. Do you know of any website with decent level analysis of this game? If the knight sacrifice is incorrect, 7... f5 might be the way to play, although I agree that this push does not look safe. 
  
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #4 - 05/19/06 at 13:22:42
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White can play 12.Ne2 instead of 12.d5!? (Ivanchuk game) with a good attack

[Event "RUS-ch sf 58th"]
[Site "Kazan"]
[Date "2005.09.03"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Najer,Evgeniy"]
[Black "Chebotarev,Oleg"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "C13"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 gxf6 7.Nf3 a6 8.g3 f5 
9.Nc3 b5 10.Bg2 Bb7 11.0-0 c5 12.Ne2 0-0 13.c3 Nd7 14.Qd2 Nf6 15.Rad1 Qc7 16.dxc5 Qxc5 
17.Qh6 Ng4 18.Qf4 Rad8 19.Ned4 Be4 20.Nd2 Bxg2 21.Kxg2 b4 22.Ne4 Qb6 23.h3 bxc3 24.bxc3 Qb7 
25.hxg4 fxe4 26.Qe3 Bf6 27.Rh1 Bg7 28.Rb1 Qa8 29.Rh4 f5 30.Nxe6 Rd3 31.Qg5 Rf7 32.gxf5 e3+ 
33.Kh2 h6 34.Qf4 Rb7 35.Rg4 e2 36.Qe5 Qa7 37.Rxg7+ Rxg7 38.Rb8+  1-0

  
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Reply #3 - 05/19/06 at 13:09:26
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Hello,

I agree that if white keeps on white square bishops he can create more problems for black. There is an old Korchnoi v Petrosian game on this theme, which I would quote, but does not seem to have made it to Chessbase. The official theory is with Ba6 though...
         Nowdays, I tend to think black's bad pawn structure is too much to handle, and would play the simpler B*N, especially against a higher rated opponent. Opposite side castling mostly occurs and black can decide to invest time for two bishops with Be7, the game is interesting enough.
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Re: Burn 6... gxf6
Reply #2 - 05/19/06 at 07:40:14
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hello,

after moro's 7. Nf3 a6, don't think a move like 8.g3 can refute blacks opening, unless its Kasparov on the White side. 8. c4 was the main problem (according to Finkel in CBM), but imho its only a medium-sized problem, not unsolvable. To avoid 8. c4, volkov played 7... f5 against ivanchuk to force 8. Nc3 (8. Ng3 c5= Psakhis), but after 8. Nc3 a6 9. g3 b5 10. Bg2 Bb7 11. 0-0 c5 12. d5 b4, we now know the "misplaced" knight on c3 can be given up! (Ivanchuk-Volkov, European Club Cup 05). Still i think the theory is rather unclear and its not inconceivable that Black can find a defence with Fritz in 2010... Psakhis gives 9. Qe2 intending 0-0-0 following Grischuk-Sakaev, but Black has good counterplay with 9...b5 10. 0-0-0 b4 11. Na4 where White's position looks awkward to me, though Black's pawns are quite a mess. I think White has a slight edge here, but on certain days, might be happy to take Black. Nevertheless ...f5 is always loosening and i don't want to play it as early as move 7, therefore prefer to tackle problems in 7... a6 8. c4 line. 

Your solid b6/Bb7 is rather playable too. i have a theory that in most openings Black can usually equalise if he trades two sets of minor pieces... so i'm not sure if the whole Ba6 plan in Lutz-Zuger is good for White, though it looks rather inevitable and Psakhis gives it as main line too, with subsequent retreat 15. Qe2 as best play. Black should then play f5, followed by h5-h4 to liquidate the weak h-pawn. Its all slightly ploddish of course, but perhaps Black can even win with some grit.
  
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Reply #1 - 05/18/06 at 11:44:06
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Hello,

It is funny how there is a lack of interest in certain openings/posts, this one seems as unbalancing as any for black. In Morozevich's  line with a6, both 8c4. and 8g3 look dangerous for black. However, there are several other ideas. A few years back there was an interesting Shirov v Short game, with Nd7 followed by c5. Also the old standby with b6. 
         A few years ago in a Major Open played a game that followed the Lutz game below until move 15. 

[Event "Biel Credis"]
[Site "Biel"]
[Date "1996.07.22"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Lutz,Christopher"]
[Black "Zueger,Beat"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C13"]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Be7 6.Bxf6 gxf6 7.Nf3 b6 8.Bc4 Bb7 
9.Qe2 c6 10.0-0-0 Qc7 11.Kb1 Nd7 12.Rhe1 0-0-0 13.Ba6 Bxa6 14.Qxa6+ Kb8 15.c4 f5 16.Neg5 Bxg5 
17.Nxg5 Nf6 18.g3 Ng4 19.f3 Nxh2 20.Rh1 h6 21.Nxf7 Qxf7 22.Rxh2 Qg7 23.c5 Rxd4 24.Rdh1 bxc5 
25.Qxc6 Qd7 26.Qxd7 Rxd7 27.Rxh6 Rxh6 28.Rxh6 Rd3 29.Rxe6 Rxf3 1/2

In the morning of game, was looking at a book of Davies were explained that the Queen was misplaced on a6, and white should play 15.Qe2. However, during the game was unable to exploit 15. c4? and played some wet move like Nf8, getting killed soon after by a d5 break. Instead, white is in a bad way in the game above, and preparing f5, with Rg8 and Bb4 could be even stronger for black. This way would show up black's trumps of strong bishop, contol of black square's and misplaced white queen. Suppose my game illustrates why line is not so popular with club player's though, one mistake and black is dead, although that could be said about many openings.

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C13: Burn 6... gxf6
03/21/06 at 04:11:07
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What are the critical lines? 8. c4 appears most critical to me, but i'm not sure why its not the most popular (White players all seem to use different systems!). I notice the Burn has been played less often lately, though Stellwagen, Radjabov and Volkov have ventured it. But any ideas why Morozevich himself stopped playing it?
 

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