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Re: The Great variation
Reply #3 - 06/09/25 at 18:55:29
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It is indeed a great variation. White may do better to side-step the deepest lines by playing 17Rf2.

This is analysed at ChessPub in the game Garcia - Mikhalevski, 2008. Mikhalevski:
"17. Rf2!?
A rare move. However it has been known since 1927, when a not well-known player introduced it against Tarrasch (see below). White's idea is to create pressure on the c-file by means of Bd3, Bd2 and Rc1, and if necessary Be1 and Rfc2. At the same time Black has to try to create an attack on the kingside, which is more difficult without the pawn on g3."

There is also 17Re1 to consider.
  
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Re: The Great variation
Reply #2 - 06/09/25 at 18:14:27
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Thin line went out of fasion long before the event of computers. It's no wonder that Kortchnoi preferred 11... Bf5 in his games against Karpov. Strong players avoid critical  and potentially dangerous lines with obscure evaluation if there are good alternatives.

Most black's these days prefer the Dilworth or Kortchnoi's 11...Bf5 and most white players go with 9. Be3 or 9. Nbd2 so "La Grande Variante" is a rare bird indeed in contemporary grandmaster practice.
  
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Re: The Great variation
Reply #1 - 05/20/06 at 09:44:11
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It's a pity that "The Great variation" has lost its popularity  


Such variaitons lose their poularity when people descend on them with computers and analyse them to death. It now just looks like a trap for the unwary White traveller as one of Chesspublising's authors shows...

Krnan,T (2331) - Mikhalevski,V (2551) [C82]
Montreal-B 5th Montreal (9), 13.08.2004

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 9.c3 Bc5 10.Nbd2 0-0 11.Bc2 f5 12.Nb3 Bb6 13.Nbd4 Nxd4 14.Nxd4 Bxd4 15.cxd4 f4 16.f3 Ng3 17.hxg3 fxg3 18.Qd3 Bf5 19.Qxf5 Rxf5 20.Bxf5 Qh4 21.Bh3 Qxd4+ 22.Kh1 Qxe5 23.Bd2 Qxb2 24.Bf4 d4 25.Bxg3 c5 26.Rae1 d3 27.Be6+ Kh8 28.Bd5 Rf8 29.Bd6 Qd4 30.Bxf8 Qxd5 31.Bd6 h6 32.Bf4 c4 33.Re8+ Kh7 34.Re5 Qd8 35.g3 c3 36.Ree1 d2 37.Rd1 Qd3 38.Bxd2 c2 39.Rc1 Qxd2 40.f4 b4 41.f5 a5 42.Rce1 a4 43.f6 gxf6 0-1 

As for 15 Qxd4, likely it will get the assessment "White has the bishop pair, therefore +=" 
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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The Great variation
05/19/06 at 22:41:51
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I imagine many of our readers will not know I'm talking about !?. The "pseudo-called" Great variation is a serie of moves characterized as follows: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Nxe4 6.d4 b5 7.Bb3 d5 8.dxe5 Be6 9.c3 Bc5 10.Nbd2 0-0 11.Bc2 f5 12.Nb3 ( or 12..Ba7 ) 12..Bb6 13.Nbd4 Nxd4 14.Nxd4 Bxd4 15.cxd4 f4 16.f3 Ng3!. This leads to a well-known piece sacrifice and to exiciting complications - first played in Fleissig vs. McKenzie, Vienna, 1882 -.
In the forties, this position was a real object of pride for chess theorists and was the first to be subjected to a theoretical debate on a 30 moves length!.
Usual move continue 17.fxg3 ( also 17.Rf2 is reasonable ) 17..fxg3 18.Qd3 Bf5 19.Qf5 Rxf5 20.Bxf5 Qh4 21.Bh3 Qxd4+ 22.Kh1 Qxe5 and we are in an intriguing position, which are stronger?: White has rook and two bishops vs. queen and three passed pawns.
I know at present 9.Nbd2 is choosen, or even many books give a possible "refutation" with the stronger 15.Qxd4! but it is not still clear after 15..c5 16.Qd1 and now 16..h6 of Short-Timman, El Escorial, 1993 when 17.f3 Ng5 18.Be3 ( 18.a4 Qc7 19.Re1/Bf4 d4!? ) 18..Rc8 and now both 19.Bf2 or 19.Qd2 are replied by 19..d4!.
It's a pity that "The Great variation" has lost its popularity, I would like to see how would play a Super-GM the position from 16th. Black's move, ans so he would demonstrate his judgement with his own head ( here theory is empty ! ).
What's your oppinion about ?

Alejandro Melchor  
  
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