Don't hurry, that will leave us more time for kibitzing.
And the only place in The Netherlands that is similar to Hades is Amsterdam Arena. That's were all lost Dutch souls are sent to, to watch Ajax play. 

MNb wrote on 09/11/06 at 20:13:26:

Well, now that this has been posted I'll mention here that, based on my own analysis, I concur with these conclusions.

In the process of working out the details for 16.Qe1, I analyzed 16...Qh4 17.Bd4 Rfc8 18.Qf1 Nf8? 19.g5! to a win for White - Black's queen gets trapped or he must give up a piece (without compensation) to extricate it.  Based on lines that I've examined so far, 18...Qe7 is the only move after 16...Qh4 17.Bd4 Rfc8 18.Qf1 which gives White any difficulty in engineering a winning attack, but even here White seems to be doing very well.

Thanks for your analyse Mnb. I made a few comments.

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After 22. Qg2 the queen is catched, isn't she?

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I want to have the Rook on h3, so I think 20. Rh3 must be better

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Of course chess is fun
Tom

I found the game 



Tal - Tal [C11]

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Be3 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Bc5 9.Qd2 0-0 10.0-0-0 a6 11.Nb3 Bb4 12.Bd3 b5 13.g4 Bb7 14.Rhg1 Na5 15.Rg3 Nc4 16.Qe1 Qh4 17.Bd4 Rfc8 18.Qf1 Qe7 19.Kb1 g6 20.Qh3 Rc7 21.Ne2 a5 22.c3 Ba3 23.bxa3 Qxa3 24.Rd2 b4 25.Qh6 a4 26.Bxc4 dxc4 27.Nc5 Rxc5 28.Rh3 Be4+ 29.Ka1 Rd5 30.Qxh7+ Kf8 31.Qh8+ Ke7 32.Qxa8 Rxd4 33.cxd4 Bxa8 34.Rxa3 bxa3 1-0

27.Nc5 must be played instead of Nbc1.

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What does Shredder thinks after 25.Qh6? I agree with MNB. These lines look dubious but the lines given by him are looking dubious too in my eyes. I think the black position is dubious

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19. g5 and there is no return for the queen
I am happy to support the whiteplayer
Tom

Sorry, I made another mistake in one of the lines of my analysis.

In the line after: (16...Qg4) 17.Qf1 I don't like ...Rfc8 any more because 18.g5 is strong -- maybe even winning. After 17.Qf1, instead of ...Nxe3 18.Rxe3 Qe7 where I think white has a nice advantage after 19.Qh3 g6 20.Ne2, I like 17...Qe7, with possibilities of transposing into one of the lines in my analysis with 17.Bd4. At least black has slowed down white's attacking setup with the heavy pieces on the h-file.

I still think that black is fine after 17.Bd4. One of the neat things for black about having a knight on c4 is that if white pushes with f5, then black can take the e5 pawn with the knight on c4 (I think this is often better than taking the pawn with the other knight), while the other knight stays back and covers f8.

Cheers.

Sure, here are some of my thoughts on my analysis (of 16...Qh4):

17. Bd4 (Seems like the best square for the bishop. It is hard for black’s pieces to attack, offers protection for some of white’s pieces, and prepares f5); 17. Qf1 Rfc8 might transpose with 18.Bd4.

17…Rfc8 (Vacates f8 for black’s knight or another piece; attacks on the queenside and pressurizes squares such as c3; provides protection with Rc7 in some cases)

18. Qf1 (Prepares Rh3 or Qh3; frees white’s c3 knight from the bishop pin) 

   If 18. Qf2 then Bxc3 19. Bxc3 a5 and if A) 20. Qf1 b4 and if for move 21. white’s dark-squared bishop moves, then 21…a4 and black’s position looks at least equal to me, while if white plays 21. Rh3 Qxg4 and, well, Shredder thinks the position is exactly equal with perpetual checks in its two main lines. If B) 20. Qg2 then Nf8 protecting h7 and g6. Black threatens to push his a pawn and / or his b pawn and seems to me to probably have enough pressure on the queenside to counterbalance white’s attack on the kingside. If 21. Rh3 then Qe7 providing yet more forces for his queenside attack. 21. Qh3 is Shredder’s choice here, and after the queen exchange 21…QxQ 22. RxQ Ng6 (attacking white’s pawns) black seems to be fine.

After 18. Qf1 Qe7 (bolstering black’s queenside attack) then I chose as my main line, 

19. Kg1 (a useful waiting move; moving off the semi-open c-file) Admittedly, I haven’t analyzed other candidate moves here as well as this one, but there are lots of transpositional possibilities. Perhaps white has some knockout punch here, I don’t know. However, my guess (backed up with my computer analysis) would be that black probably has sufficient defensive resources here.

19…g6 (Well, principles are broken in chess from time to time) thus arriving at my post I made today, now as:

A)      20.Qh3 Rc7 (preparing Rac8; defending the seventh rank) 21.Ne2 (preventing BxN with …b4 to follow) a5 22.Bxc4 (22.c3? Ba3! 23.bxa3 Qxa3 24.Rd2 b4 -+) dxc4 (freeing black’s bishop) 23.Nbc1 f6 = (liquidating black’s centre; opening lines for black’s pieces)
B)      20.Rh3 (probably too slow) a5 (with strong pressure; threatening to push to a3) 21.Bxc4 dxc4 =   
C)      20.Nd2 Na3 21.Kc1 (only move) Bxc3 22.Bxc3 (…bxc3 is probably too weak) Rxc3 23.bxc3 (only move) Rc8 =

I hope this helps a bit.
Cheers