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Question: Nimzovich: Strongest Line for White

1.d4 Nc6 2.d5

6 (42.9%)

1.d4 Nc6 2.Nf3

2 (14.3%)

1.e4 Nc6 2.d4

6 (42.9%)

1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3

0 (0.0%)

Total votes: 14

« Created by: J-dog on: 11/14/06 at 17:58:54 »

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SorenJensen Junior Member Offline Posts: 51 Location: Badajoz Joined: 04/24/05	Nimzovich for White Reply #10 - 11/26/06 at 23:36:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Frendo, The answer to the playability, or otherwise, of 8...h5 probably depends on whether 9.Ng5 is merely strong or decisive. I looked a bit at 9...e5 (shuffling pieces around on a board a bit and with no computer check I should add) and Volker Jeschonnek had analysis of 9... h4 10.d6 e6 (and a mention of the queen sacrifice 10... exd6) in The Chess Correspondent 76 (3). At the very least there seems to be room for black to put up a fight but one half suspects that white may have something. I am not aware that there have been any games in the 9.Ng5 line following the Zavanelli - Anda. Cheers, Sören


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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #9 - 11/24/06 at 16:13:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	You may have recommended it sometime ago, but the move 8...h5!? (after 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.d5 Ne5 5.Bf4 Ng6 6.Bg3 f5 7.Nh3 a6 8.Bc4) is certainly new to me. To me the move looks quite ugly but Black's position does seem to require a drastic solution and the appearance of a move hasn't stopped from from analysing and playing it before. Is this move still regarded as playable since you posted the games on the website?


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SorenJensen Junior Member Offline Posts: 51 Location: Badajoz Joined: 04/24/05	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #8 - 11/22/06 at 13:43:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: I was under the impression that Black wasn't doing to well in the line 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.d5 Ne5 5.Bf4 Ng6 6.Bg3 (after either 6...a6 or 6...f5). I'm sure I should do more research on this but does anyone want to make it easy for me and tell me the critical variation (s)? This (and linked pages) is a couple of years old now but I think these remain some of the more critical lines www.chessville.com/instruction/Openings/Nimzowitsch_Recent_Developments.htm


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Glenn Snow God Member Offline Posts: 1720 Location: Franklin Joined: 09/27/03 Gender:	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #7 - 11/22/06 at 00:08:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	I was under the impression that Black wasn't doing to well in the line 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.d5 Ne5 5.Bf4 Ng6 6.Bg3 (after either 6...a6 or 6...f5). I'm sure I should do more research on this but does anyone want to make it easy for me and tell me the critical variation (s)?


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SorenJensen Junior Member Offline Posts: 51 Location: Badajoz Joined: 04/24/05	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #6 - 11/17/06 at 22:58:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Alias wrote on 11/15/06 at 23:53:22: What did I do wrong as white? 1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. Nc3 Qa5 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. O-O a6 7. Bxc6 Bxc6 8. d4 Qh5 9. Ne5 Qxd1 10. Rxd1 Bd7 11. Nxd7 Kxd7 12. Ne4 e6 13. d5 e5 14. c4 Be7 15. b4 Nf6 16. Nc5+ Kc8 17. Bb2 b6 18. Nd3 e4 19. Ne5 Bxb4 20. Nxf7 Re8 21. Bd4 Kd7 22. Ng5 c5 23. Be3 Ng4 24. Ne6 Nxe3 25. fxe3 Re7 26. a3 Ba5 27. Rf1 Bd2 28. Kf2 Kd6 29. Rab1 Ba5 30. Ke2 b5 31. cxb5 Rb7 32. bxa6 Rxb1 33. Rxb1 Rxa6 34. Rb7 Kxd5 35. Nf4+ Kc4 36. Rxg7 h6 37. Re7 Kb3 38. Rxe4 c4 39. Ne6 Kxa3 40. Nd4 Kb2 41. Re8 Kc3 42. Rc8 Rg6 43. g3 Bb6 44. Nf5 Kb3 45. h3 h5 46. Kd2 1/2-1/2 Khalifman in Openings for White according to Anand vol. 5, says that black would have been in serious trouble after 9.d5 and backs this up with half a page of analyisis/games


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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #5 - 11/15/06 at 23:53:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	What did I do wrong as white? 1. e4 Nc6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 Qxd5 4. Nc3 Qa5 5. Bb5 Bd7 6. O-O a6 7. Bxc6 Bxc6 8. d4 Qh5 9. Ne5 Qxd1 10. Rxd1 Bd7 11. Nxd7 Kxd7 12. Ne4 e6 13. d5 e5 14. c4 Be7 15. b4 Nf6 16. Nc5+ Kc8 17. Bb2 b6 18. Nd3 e4 19. Ne5 Bxb4 20. Nxf7 Re8 21. Bd4 Kd7 22. Ng5 c5 23. Be3 Ng4 24. Ne6 Nxe3 25. fxe3 Re7 26. a3 Ba5 27. Rf1 Bd2 28. Kf2 Kd6 29. Rab1 Ba5 30. Ke2 b5 31. cxb5 Rb7 32. bxa6 Rxb1 33. Rxb1 Rxa6 34. Rb7 Kxd5 35. Nf4+ Kc4 36. Rxg7 h6 37. Re7 Kb3 38. Rxe4 c4 39. Ne6 Kxa3 40. Nd4 Kb2 41. Re8 Kc3 42. Rc8 Rg6 43. g3 Bb6 44. Nf5 Kb3 45. h3 h5 46. Kd2 1/2-1/2

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J-dog Senior Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Joined: 11/15/05 Gender:	Re: Nimzovich for White Reply #4 - 11/15/06 at 18:06:59	Post Tools	Print Post
	Right. I'm a retard. that stuff I said about the caro-kann was non-sense. shows you how my blindfold skills are: sucky! I can't see how 1.d4/2.e4 could be the strongest if white has the Scotch as the best option after 2...e5? Gotta think 1.d4 Nc6 2.d5 is strongest... Let me ask this: What's better for white- 1.d4 Nc6 2.d5 or 1.e4 Nc6 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4? just curious.


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SorenJensen Junior Member Offline Posts: 51 Location: Badajoz Joined: 04/24/05	Re: NImzo for White Reply #3 - 11/15/06 at 12:48:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	J-dog wrote on 11/14/06 at 20:02:57: Thanks, tracke. Interesting choice. I'm wondering, however, if 2...e5 is better than 2...d5 and, also, if de4 is better than e6, after Ne4 Bf5 Black seems to have a good Caro-Kann where he can play c5 in one go. -SC 1. d4 Nc6 2.d5 Ne5 3.e4 e6 (3...Ng6 !?) 4.dxe6 fxe6 (dxe6 might be playable but such suffering is not for everyone) 5.Nc3 ! is favoured in many books and there is probably a thread here somewhere. Do a game search, there are lots of 1-0 in this line. 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3. I think almost everyone would agree with Tracke that 3.Nc3s is white's best move here. 3...e6 is a line that has been discussed in the French section. Probably playable at most levels but 3...dxe4 is the more common and now after 4.d5 both 4...Ne5 (both 5.Bf4 and 5.Qd4 lead to interesting and unclear positions) and 4...Nb8 offers fun and playable positions. There have been several threads on these here at chesspublishing. 1.e4 Nc6 2.d4 e5. Yep, emminently playable if you are happy to invite the Scotch.


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J-dog Senior Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Joined: 11/15/05 Gender:	Re: NImzo for White Reply #2 - 11/14/06 at 20:02:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks, tracke. Interesting choice. I'm wondering, however, if 2...e5 is better than 2...d5 and, also, if de4 is better than e6, after Ne4 Bf5 Black seems to have a good Caro-Kann where he can play c5 in one go. -SC


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tracke Senior Member Offline Introite tam etiam ibi dei sunt Posts: 467 Location: Kiel (GER) Joined: 09/21/04 Gender:	Re: NImzo for White Reply #1 - 11/14/06 at 19:01:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don´t want to go much in variations (at least not before Wisnewski´s forthcoming book is out) but in my opinion 1.e4 Nc6?! 2.d4! and 1.d4 Nc6?! 2.e4! are strongest. And Black´s best chance (in terms of objective soundness, not in terms of best practical chances) is the french 2...d5! 3.Sc3! e6! tracke


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J-dog Senior Member Offline Posts: 283 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Joined: 11/15/05 Gender:	Nimzovich for White 11/14/06 at 17:58:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've looked at many of the threads on this stuff here, but I can't seem to discover a consensus about what white's best approach might be vs. 1...Nc6. My hunch is with 1.d4 Nc6 2.d5, but I'm not sure... Insights or comparisons welcome... -SC
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