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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #9 - 10/23/13 at 07:40:29
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For a short updated summary on this opening, see
http://chess-brabo.blogspot.be/2013/09/a-dutch-gambit-part-2.html
  
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #8 - 11/25/10 at 16:51:07
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After 1 d4 e6 2 Qd3 f5 3 h3 you have a delayed Anti-Dutch Spike, or Krejcik Gambit. I would recommend the book "The Anti-Dutch Spike" by NM Alan Watson.
It was last published 15 years ago, so you will have to search a bit on the Internet.
  
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #7 - 11/17/10 at 14:43:32
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TN wrote on 11/17/10 at 14:19:15:
One move not considered in Dangerous Weapons is 4...g6!?, aiming to play a Leningrad Dutch setup where White's h3/g4 kingside play achieves little. The game Varga-Bogumil, Harkany Tenkes Cup 1994, suggests that Black is completely fine.


Yep, then white usually plays Bf4 and a London set-up since the bishop already has a cave to hide in on h2. Sometimes they follow up with c4 instead of c3 if they're feeling particularly frisky...
  
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #6 - 11/17/10 at 14:19:15
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One move not considered in Dangerous Weapons is 4...g6!?, aiming to play a Lenningrad Dutch setup where White's h3/g4 kingside play achieves little. The game Varga-Bogumil, Harkany Tenkes Cup 1994, suggests that Black is completely fine.
  

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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #5 - 11/17/10 at 10:24:44
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MNb wrote on 02/05/07 at 22:50:49:
Yep, that's why I play 1...e6. Concerning this Superdelayed Wing Gambit it is handy to do a little database research. Then we find an expert, IM Simon Williams, facing it. He played 3...Nf6 4.g4 b6, which looks interesting. Not that this is a refutation. Black just has his share of play. Key, as so often, is controlling square e4.

I personally think 1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.h3 e6 4.g4 b6 is risky for black. Just a few months after this post Simon Williams was crushed by a lower rated player in this variation.

I also tried this out 2 weeks ago but got away with a scar although in the endposition I had an easy win.

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.h3 e6 (In the book 'Win with the Stonewall Dutch', 3....d5 what I tried out in a earlier game, is not well regarded due to 4.Bf4 e6 5.e3 with a small plus for white. This small plus for white isn't fully clear to me but I must admit that e6 is certainly more flexible than d5 so keeping white to guess longer.) 4.g4 b6?! (I think here 4...d5 or even maybe 4...Ne4 with similar ideas sounds more healthy. One example from my own practice went 4...d5 5.gxf5 exf5 6.Rg1 g6 7.c3 Bd6 8.Bh6 Qe7 9.Nbd2 Nbd7 10.e3 Ne4 11.Be2 Ndf6 and black has a comfortable position and went later on to win the game.) 5.Bf4?! (I don't think that you can see at this stage that the bishop belongs to this square. More to the point seems to me 5.gxf5 followed up by e.g. Qd3 or Rg1 which gives to my feeling some advantage for white) 5...Bb7 6.Nbd2 Nc6N (An improvement found on the board. Be7 and c5 which were tested earlier with miserable results look less good.) 7.Rg1 fxg4?! (Interesting idea but not the best. Better seems to me Qe7. C7 is poisoned due to d6 and bishop on f8 can go to g7 after g6 of course.) 8.hxg4 Bd6 9.Bxd6 cxd6 10.e3 Qe7 11.c3 0-0-0 12.Bb5 Nd5 13.Qa4 Kb8 14.0-0-0 Nc7 15.Be2 Rdf8 16.Qa3?! Rf7?! 17.Ne4?! Rhf8 18.Rg3 Nd8 19.Neg5 Nf6 20.e4 Rf4 21.e5 Ne8 22.exd6 Nxd6 23.Ne5 Rxf2 24.Nxh7 Rxe2?! 25.Ng6?? (Looked decisive but in fact blunders the position away. Nxf8 would be good enough for at least a small advantage) 25... Rc2+ 26.Kb1 Be4! 27.Nex7 Rd2+ 28.Kc1 Rc2+ 29.Kb1 Rd2+?? (Rxc3 is of course winning but with less than 20 seconds left I couldn't calculate it properly anymore so settled for a draw which was anyway more than enough for the teamvictory.) 30.Kc1 Rc2+ 31.Kb1 and draw.

Like to hear some comments on the opening from people whom have some expertise in it or possess the book 'Dangerous Weapons the Dutch' which treats these lines.
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #4 - 02/05/07 at 22:50:49
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Yep, that's why I play 1...e6. Concerning this Superdelayed Wing Gambit it is handy to do a little database research. Then we find an expert, IM Simon Williams, facing it. He played 3...Nf6 4.g4 b6, which looks interesting. Not that this is a refutation. Black just has his share of play. Key, as so often, is controlling square e4.
  

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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #3 - 02/05/07 at 19:33:26
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I guess Dutch types go 1..e6 to avoid the Staunton Gambit (2.e4) and the Bogoljubow Variation (2. Lg5).  Wink

Maybe any Dutch experts could comment? Undecided

  
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #2 - 02/05/07 at 14:40:40
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jeupham wrote on 12/30/06 at 12:33:33:
Has anyone tried the following cheapo:

1. d4 e6 2. Sf3 f5 3. h3 Sf6 4. g4 fg: 5. hg: Sg4: 6. Dd3!  Grin

Seems like fun for White and simply painful for Black.  Maybe 4..d5 is the boring antidote?  Undecided

Does this line have a name?



Perhaps it's better to start right with 1. -f5 and to wait before you play e6. So, in case of g4-lines, you can always play a timely -d5 and the e6 pawn won't be on the way of the c8-Bishop.
  

Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Dutch : 3. h3!?
Reply #1 - 02/03/07 at 16:44:19
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Every Dutch playing schoolboy knows that you always take the first gambit pawn and never the second.  Your d5 recommendation is one way of following this rule, and and leads to a position where Black has as many winning chances as White.
  
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Dutch : 3. h3!?
12/30/06 at 12:33:33
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Has anyone tried the following cheapo:

1. d4 e6 2. Sf3 f5 3. h3 Sf6 4. g4 fg: 5. hg: Sg4: 6. Dd3!  Grin

Seems like fun for White and simply painful for Black.  Maybe 4..d5 is the boring antidote?  Undecided

Does this line have a name?

  
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