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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #36 - 12/26/07 at 18:41:13
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I too preferr 5.e3,c5 over 5.e3,0-0
Note that there is a move-order question here.
On 5.Nf3 (iso 5.e3) 5....0-0 is probably most accurate.
Some more info on Bf4-lines:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1123627959/0#14
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #35 - 12/25/07 at 22:10:06
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Yeah, 5...c5 is similar (and may even transpose) to Dembo's recommendation against 6. Nf3: 6...c5.

1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 d5
4. Bf4 Bg7
5. e3 0-0
6. Nf3 c5

*Sigh* I have to master the Grunfeld. It is probably the only thing other than the KID that gives Black the same flavour of aggressive play against 1. d4. Other 1.d4 defenses can be aggressive too but not with this style.
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #34 - 12/24/07 at 23:02:13
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I agree.  I think Black's best is 5..c5.
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #33 - 12/24/07 at 20:18:59
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I've been reading Play the Grunfeld recently. Overall, I like it - though as drkodos already said, I should really also read the other Grunfeld books (since I'm a Grunfeld n00b, having always relied on KID before). 

Ok, but I have a question for the Bf4 variation. 
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 d5
4. Bf4 Bg7
5. e4 0-0!?
6. cxd5 Nxd5
7. Nxd5 Qxd5
8. Bxc7 Na6
9. Bxa6 Qxg2 
10. Qf3 Qxf3
11. Nxf3 bxa6
12. Rg1! f6
13. Ke2 Rf7
14. Rac1 Bd7
15. Nd2 e5
16 d5 Bb5+

This is a long variation into the so-called Grunfeld Gambit. Note that in the end Black has regained the pawn. 

However, it seems that in this 'endgame', the biggest weakness on the board lies in Black's doubled pawns which really seems to take the sting out of Black's bishop pair. Imho, in this position, the bishop pair is not that great as Black's light-squared Bishop has to babysit Pa6 as well as risking being hemmed in by his Kingside pawn chain (e4, f5, g6, h7). The logical result in this case is a draw. But do any of you play the Grunfeld just for a draw? Worse, in a position that White seems to have the only winning chances? 

What do y'all think? Do you play into this variation? Or do you play the 5...c5 and/or 5...c6 variation(s)? Or maybe my conclusion is too superficial?
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #32 - 12/02/07 at 18:24:19
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Markovich wrote on 11/07/07 at 13:40:19:


My review of it is on amazon.com.  I posted it mostly to counterract a bad review that some idiot put there.  It's not a beginner's book, but it's not a bad book either.  The best Gruenfeld book of which I know is Sakaev's on 7.Bc4.  Leaving aside its excellence as a theoretical work, there is a most amusing picture of its author on the back cover.



A point of irony ( or is it coincidence?).

Both your review and "the idiot's" come to the same conclusion about the book.

You words: "Dembo is probably right when she claims that anyone who knows and understands the lines she presents here will be as well prepared to play the Gruenfeld as any IM. But for many less expert players, this work alone will be insuffient for them to achieve quite that much understanding. But even so, it will be useful."  

The "Idiot's":  Denbo gives a very good overview of the various schools, Hungarian, Russian , Israeli etc... that have nurtured and sustained the opening through the years. However the opening is high risk high reward, perhaps expalaining why she has herself has sparingly used the opening herself being primarily a King Indian Defense player. 

If you are an IM looking for a new opening to supplement your main response to D4 this would probably suit your needs. However if you are a beginner/intermediate player for the 192 pages you get a limited repertoire that looks hard to use in practical play and difficult to learn. 

Highly recommended for all current Grunfeld players, for new Grunfeld players there are better alternatives, until you have an advanced knowledge of the opening "



And no, I am not "The Idiot".


However, I think that the idiot review is spot on and that there are four books (in English) that will all serve as better entries into the Grunfeld.

Rowson's
Karpov's
Aagard's
Suetin's

Yes, they are dated as far as the latest theory on Move 20 whatever.  No matter.  The strategic ideas of the Grunfeld are properly, and fully, represented in these tomes which should be digested prior to moving on to the latest way to sharpen the knife.

Just my dollar three-eighty on the sub.  Worth exactly what was paid for it, no doubt.   Smiley
  

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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #31 - 12/02/07 at 15:47:01
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Andrew, thanks, that's very helpful, as even the best books (I have just ordered Eddie Dearing's Gruenfeld book) are by definition out of date.
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #30 - 12/02/07 at 09:34:47
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If you want to look at Rb1 games - have a look at Peter Wells in particular from a white point of view and Svidler and Shirov for Black.
  
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Reply #29 - 12/01/07 at 21:31:54
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You might also want to check John Cox's Starting Out book.
  
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Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #28 - 12/01/07 at 21:05:38
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Mangler, thanks, greatly appreciated.
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #27 - 12/01/07 at 20:22:37
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Challenging the Grunfeld by Dearing was just written about a year or 2 ago. It has 200 pages on the line, with plenty of terrific games and instructive notes. Highly recommended. Another source would be Gelfand's "My Most Memorable Games". The start of the book has a section on his best games (7) as white in this line.
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #26 - 12/01/07 at 19:52:20
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Mortal Games wrote on 11/07/07 at 12:18:58:
The Chesscafe critic for "Play the Grunfeld" is out! Of course it is a good book like many others. This book and "Understanding the Grunfeld" by Rowson can carry any player a good distance in mastering the opening.  Wink


Looking at the table of contents of Dembo's book, there seems to be relatively little on the variation I'm interested in:

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 Bg7 7. Nf3 c5 8. Rb1 0-0 9. Be2

Can anyone recommend good sources (books or online) for White to get up to speed on this main line of the Gruenfeld with White playing Nf3 and Be2 and Rb1? 
                     
                                 Thanks, CMA
  
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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #25 - 11/08/07 at 15:59:37
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Mortal Games wrote on 11/08/07 at 15:04:37:
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My only complain about Chess Cafe is that they seemed to be tending more to the superficial side lately. But someone suggested in another thread that this might be due to Carsten's lack of opening knowledge pertaining to some books he is reviewing. Carsten certainly does not universally praise every book. So it may be a bit unfair to say he is being soft to sell more books. Anyway,  John Elburg is not trying to sell books. Have you seen his reviews?  


Of course! John Elburg, Phil Adams, Seagaard - all without stores. Chessbug, Jeremy Silman, Chessville, Watson - with stores but very professional. Amazon (buyers) etc. If someone have experience buying books not from yesterday, but for years and reading all the critics, it is very easy to see the ones we can trust, not only because one can learn by his mistakes!   
In Chesscafe they seemed to be tending to the superficial side lately because of lots of reviews of DVD´s, but the very latest was only about 5 books in a month wich was reasonable and one can always read other reviews.

As a very general rule, it often seems to me that those WITHOUT stores are LESS objective  - perhaps because they think the only way to get free books to review is to talk them up.
  
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Reply #24 - 11/08/07 at 15:04:37
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My only complain about Chess Cafe is that they seemed to be tending more to the superficial side lately. But someone suggested in another thread that this might be due to Carsten's lack of opening knowledge pertaining to some books he is reviewing. Carsten certainly does not universally praise every book. So it may be a bit unfair to say he is being soft to sell more books. Anyway,  John Elburg is not trying to sell books. Have you seen his reviews?   


Of course! John Elburg, Phil Adams, Seagaard - all without stores. Chessbug, Jeremy Silman, Chessville, Watson - with stores but very professional. Amazon (buyers) etc. If someone have experience buying books not from yesterday, but for years and reading all the critics, it is very easy to see the ones we can trust, not only because one can learn by his mistakes!   
In Chesscafe they seemed to be tending to the superficial side lately because of lots of reviews of DVD´s, but the very latest was only about 5 books in a month wich was reasonable and one can always read other reviews.
  

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Re: Play the Grunfeld - Yelena Dembo
Reply #23 - 11/08/07 at 13:44:00
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 11/08/07 at 01:11:24:
Mortal Games wrote on 11/07/07 at 12:18:58:
The Chesscafe critic for "Play the Grunfeld" is out! Of course it is a good book like many others.


They seem to like a lot of books on Chesscafé! One might get the idea that they are really trying to sell them!


Ahem!
  

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Reply #22 - 11/08/07 at 13:33:43
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My only complain about Chess Cafe is that they seemed to be tending more to the superficial side lately. But someone suggested in another thread that this might be due to Carsten's lack of opening knowledge pertaining to some books he is reviewing. Carsten certainly does not universally praise every book. So it may be a bit unfair to say he is being soft to sell more books. Anyway,  John Elburg is not trying to sell books. Have you seen his reviews?  Wink
  

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