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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #6 - 12/07/07 at 18:04:50
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kylemeister wrote on 12/06/07 at 17:08:26:
The Palliser line has Nf3 in, though (I think playing it without Nf3 and answering ...Nxg5 with h4 has been tried, but isn't to be recommended) ...


Sorry, i miscounted. The bishop goes to g5 in both books on move 5 not 4. The full moveorder would be 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. cxd5 (Palliser) and 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. Bg5 Ne4 6. Bh4 (Grivas)
  

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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #5 - 12/06/07 at 22:44:27
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thibdb13 wrote on 12/06/07 at 16:21:07:
What do you think of 4.h4 in the Grünfeld. there was an interesting article about this in the forelast number of the New in Chess Yearbook.
I 've tried it sometimes in blitz and in rapid. You do not have to know much theory (in fact nearly nothing) and it is quite easy (intuitive) to play as white.


Don't trust it in corr chess. As the white king will not be safe on the queen's wing and the centre is not stable, Black must have good chances for counterplay.
  

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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #4 - 12/06/07 at 17:08:26
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The Palliser line has Nf3 in, though (I think playing it without Nf3 and answering ...Nxg5 with h4 has been tried, but isn't to be recommended) ...
  
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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #3 - 12/06/07 at 16:51:50
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Note that the Palliser recommendation (4. Bg5 Ne4 5. cd  ) differs significantly from the Grivas recommendation  (4. Bg5 Ne4 5. Bh4.)  The former leads to the so called Karlsbad structure, while the latter leads to  a more fluid pawn structure where White keeps the bishop pair.
  

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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #2 - 12/06/07 at 16:21:07
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What do you think of 4.h4 in the Grünfeld. there was an interesting article about this in the forelast number of the New in Chess Yearbook.
I 've tried it sometimes in blitz and in rapid. You do not have to know much theory (in fact nearly nothing) and it is quite easy (intuitive) to play as white.
  

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Re: Grunfeld Line and Book as White
Reply #1 - 10/01/07 at 15:33:45
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I believe that that Bg5 Carlsbadian stuff is part of Richard Palliser's repertoire in "Play 1. d4!".
  
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Grunfeld Line and Book as White
10/01/07 at 15:27:45
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Hello All:

Need some big picture help here.

As White I don't want to learn a lot of theory playing against the Grunfeld as I meet it only rarely - so many Slavs and Semi-Slavs today!!. Just want to get a reasonable position out of the opening. I have been playing a little with the Bg5 lines as sometimes you can get a Karlsbad structure. For someone wanting to avoid the theory-heavy lines, is this a reasonable variation to use? Or would something like the Bf4 lines be more suitable.

Looks like the Starting Out book would just have a few pages on these. How about coverage in the Rowson Grunfeld book or Beating the Fianchetto Defences by Grivas?

Thanks in advance.

Gerry
  
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