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Re: C18: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #65 - 01/27/24 at 23:13:39
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Those interested in more details on The French Defense Revisited can take a look at this thread:

https://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/chess/YaBB.pl?num=1681732363

FreeRepublic wrote on 01/26/24 at 14:59:27:
In the Winawer with 7h4, they cover both 7...Qc7 and 7...Qa5.

It's interesting that in the 7...Qc7 line, Jacimovic and Zlatanovic, who opt for solid variations in other cases, recommend going for a pawn snatch: 8.h5 cxd4 9.cxd4 Qxc3+ 10.Bd2 Qxd4 11.Nf3 Qe4+ 12.Be2 Nf5. In contrast, Miedema strongly opposes this approach in his The Modernized French Defence Volume 1, saying, "Quite a lot of games have been played in this line, but I feel it's just too hard for humanoids playing Black...I know French players like you and me like to suffer a great deal from time to time, but only when we really have to...Please don't play this."
  
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Re: C18: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #64 - 01/26/24 at 14:59:27
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I just found another book on the French:

The French Defense Revisited by Jacimovic and Zlatanovic, April 2023.

https://forwardchess.com/product/the-french-defense-revisited?section=Search

The authors chose the Guimard variation vs. the Tarrasch. In the Winawer with 7h4, they cover both 7...Qc7 and 7...Qa5.
  
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Reply #63 - 09/19/23 at 00:14:30
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I'll mention books, not in my possesion, on the Winawer.

The Modern French, Volume 2: Advance and Winawer by  Dmitry Kryakvin, Nov 03, 2020, proposes the Portisch-Hook variation.

https://forwardchess.com/product/the-modern-french-volume2-advance-and-winawer?s...

The Modernized French Defense, Volume 1: The Winawer by David Miedema, Apr 18, 2019
https://forwardchess.com/product/the-modernized-french-defense,-volume1:-the-win...

An older book, 2013, is THE FRENCH WINAWER: MOVE BY MOVE by Steve Giddens.

https://everymanchess.com/products/the-french-winawer-move-by-move?_pos=2&_psq=W...

Narrowing down to C18, Chess Publishing has analyzed 549 games!
  
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Re: C18: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #62 - 02/02/18 at 10:26:03
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Keano wrote on 02/01/18 at 19:56:44:
When Magnus plays the Winawer Poisoned Pawn the world should take note Smiley


If he plays it again, be afraid, be very afraid  Smiley
  

Those who want to go by my perverse footsteps play such pawn structure with fuzzy atypical still strategic orientations

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Re: C18: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #61 - 02/01/18 at 19:56:44
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Indeed. check  Giri, A - Carlsen, M, Wijk aan Zee 2018, in John Watsons January update.

When Magnus plays the Winawer Poisoned Pawn the world should take note Smiley

  
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Reply #60 - 01/19/16 at 18:35:43
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Thanks Jon for sharing ...  Smiley
one more useful experience in this line
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I browsed one book quickly (Berg's book about french and PP ?? I am not sure) last december in another french chessclub...and have read that giving the d pawn as Black (d5-d4) is now the "main line" in the PP ... maybe you have a point of view about it . Usually "main" or "modern" qualifier is a way to suggest to play it.
  

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Reply #59 - 01/19/16 at 10:13:26
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Another game with 16...f6 from last night:



24 Be3? and 25 Be2?? were losing moves – of course I missed the tactic. Instead, the king should have gone to f2, when White may well be winning. Even so, the game is a nice addition to the theory.
  

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Reply #58 - 01/12/13 at 14:12:38
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Reply #57 - 03/03/11 at 03:59:04
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Gambit wrote on 03/03/11 at 03:23:31:
I should be able to find some games with 6...c5 and 6...Bd7. Also, you may research before the game, but what if your opponent plays a different opening? Grin


Well, if the opponent doesn't play the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit then Black is guaranteed easy equality.  Wink
  
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Reply #56 - 03/03/11 at 03:23:31
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I should be able to find some games with 6...c5 and 6...Bd7. Also, you may research before the game, but what if your opponent plays a different opening? Grin
  
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Re: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #55 - 03/02/11 at 20:31:37
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It's no use pointing this out to LDZ. He will only endlessly repeat his mantra. It's better to ask him a question:

Gambit wrote on 03/02/11 at 17:25:23:
the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3+ 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3!
looks good to me.

Have you already found good ways to meet 6...c5 and especially 6...Bd7? It was nice how you showed White's compensation after 6...b6 7.Bb5+, but this obviously doesn't work after 6...Bd7. I am looking forward to your answer in that WRG-thread.
This one is about the Winawer Poisoned Pawn, which doesn't begin with 4.a3, and especially about books on the WPP.
  

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Re: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #54 - 03/02/11 at 18:58:54
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Gambit wrote on 03/02/11 at 17:25:23:
Fritz this, Rybka that... Pfft... You can't use a computer to help you in an online or over-the-board game.


This is done all the time. The work with the computer was done before the game and you remember your research during play.
  
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Re: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #53 - 03/02/11 at 17:25:23
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Fritz this, Rybka that... Pfft... You can't use a computer to help you in an online or over-the-board game. And the Winckelmann-Reimer Gambit, 1 d4 d5 2 e4 e6 3 Nc3 Bb4 4 a3 Bxc3+ 5 bxc3 dxe4 6 f3!
looks good to me. It creates interesting play.  In OTB chess, where you cannot use a computer to help, it certainly offers good chances.
  
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Re: winawer poisoned pawn books
Reply #52 - 02/22/11 at 20:15:57
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Thanks Jon.
Your ideas or games are very much useful.
My stockfish chess engine likes to play Kf2 ( near 19th or 20th move)...
  

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Reply #51 - 02/22/11 at 17:11:56
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Thanks for sharing so generously, Jon.  Yes, a lot more practice is needed before all this can be clarified, which could be said of the Winawer in general!
  

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