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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #8 - 12/21/07 at 10:40:49
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Yes you can play bishop on d7, otherwise there will be no chinese.

I was talking about 9 0-0-0 (white bishop still on f1)
  
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Reply #7 - 12/21/07 at 06:52:54
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If you like the Chinese, it means you can play with your bishop on d7 or am I wrong?
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #6 - 12/20/07 at 20:07:25
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thibdb13 wrote on 12/18/07 at 19:58:09:
bragesjo wrote on 12/18/07 at 19:28:38:
Thanks, for the replyes.

The problem in first question is that white can possibly capture the b pawn since i think that the knight is misplaced on a5 (i did rather have a Queen there). If it had been on e5 it would have been an other matter. On Rc8 instead I think g4 is good for white, but havent looked close on it. I dont play Bd7 system as black after 9 0-0-0.

What is your problem with Bd7 after white 0-0-0?


Things has happened after Wards 2nd book. What happened is the book Experts vs the Sicilian where Dragon expert Golubev shows whats wrong with Bd7 and wards backup system Nxd4+Be6. But I am not totally convinced in Golubevs refutation of d5. But there might be black improvments somewhere in Bd7 lines since some strong players still plays it sometimes and they unfortunatty never gets tested in the critical lines.

Also I do not play Qa5 Dragon (Wards old favorite) agianst Bc4. I prefere Chinese, Soltis and Nxd4+b5 depening on whites 10th move.
  
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #5 - 12/18/07 at 20:43:15
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The problem in first question is that white can possibly capture the b pawn since i think that the knight is misplaced on a5 (i did rather have a Queen there). If it had been on e5 it would have been an other matter.

Why do white Bb3 i most of the lines. I think one of the big reasons is that black after hxg6 can not play fxg6. After fxg6 black has a more solid kingside, and maybe black can use the time to play a6. Tjek the way Jones defence his king. Be2 do not scare me!
  
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
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bragesjo wrote on 12/18/07 at 19:28:38:
Thanks, for the replyes.

The problem in first question is that white can possibly capture the b pawn since i think that the knight is misplaced on a5 (i did rather have a Queen there). If it had been on e5 it would have been an other matter. On Rc8 instead I think g4 is good for white, but havent looked close on it. I dont play Bd7 system as black after 9 0-0-0.

What is your problem with Bd7 after white 0-0-0?
  
Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #3 - 12/18/07 at 19:28:38
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Thanks, for the replyes.

The problem in first question is that white can possibly capture the b pawn since i think that the knight is misplaced on a5 (i did rather have a Queen there). If it had been on e5 it would have been an other matter. On Rc8 instead I think g4 is good for white, but havent looked close on it. I dont play Bd7 system as black after 9 0-0-0.
  
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #2 - 12/18/07 at 18:47:10
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Question 1 (10 ...-Na5): 
I think black can play 11...Rb8, 12...b5; 13...Nc4.
Is there a way for white to play some good against this plan?

Or maybe just 11..Rc8. 
Be2 do not look so great, and btw. black can play Nc6, and it is almost a 9.0-0-0, Bd7 line. (Be2 is on f1)

Question 2 (10 ...-Rb8 11.Be2):

Here is a game with 11. Be2
[Event "corr 2003"]
[White "Rudyak, I."]
[Black "Da Costa Junior, L."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B78"]
[Annotator "Da Costa Junior,L "]
[EventType "corr"]
[SourceDate "2003.10.01"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 Nc6 8. Qd2 O-O 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Rb8 11. Be2 b5 12. h4
(12. Ncxb5 Nxd4 13. Nxd4 Qc7 = {/\ 14...Qb7, 14...Rfc8}) 
12... Nxd4 13. Bxd4 Qa5 14.Nd5
(14. h5 b4 15. Bxf6 
(15. Nd5 Nxd5 16. Bxg7 Nc3 17. Qh6 Nxe2+ 18. Kd2 g5 19. Bxf8 Rxf8 20. Kxe2 f6 {>< Qh6 Markovic,Iv}) 15... Bxf6 (15... bxc3b16. Qxc3 Qxc3 17. Bxc3 Bxc3 18. bxc3 Be6 19. hxg6 hxg6 20. a3 Rfc8 $44) 
16. Nd5 Qxa2 17. Nxf6+ exf6 18. Qh6 Qa1+ 19. Kd2 Qxb2 20. hxg6 Qc3+ 21. Kc1 Qa1+ 22.Kd2 Qc3+ 23. Kc1 =) 
14... Qxd2+ 15. Rxd2 Nxd5 16. Bxg7 Kxg7 17. exd5 b4 18. Re1 Rfe8 19. Rd4 a5 20. Bd3 Bb5 1/2-1/2

I hope you can use it!
  
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Re: Chinese Dragon questions
Reply #1 - 12/18/07 at 16:13:49
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Question 1 (10 ...-Na5): you are right, this is not a good move (at least) and 11.Be2 is very efficient against it.
Question 2 (10 ...-Rb8 11.Be2): I'd play b5 with black and see what happens. White cannot put his bishop on b3 immediately and if he wants to take on b5 with the bishop I have the impression Be2 was not the ideal move (losing a tempo in this variation can be mortal)
  
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Chinese Dragon questions
12/18/07 at 15:45:55
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After looking at the latest subsciption update I have two questions.

1. Why did G Jones (2567) play Na5 on move 10? If white plays 11 Be2 the knight can be out of place?

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Na5 !?

2. Rybkas opening book has mentions a move that I have never seen in the Chinese: 
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Nc6 9. Bc4 Bd7 10. O-O-O Rb8 11. Be2 !?
Have anyone seen any relevant game in this variation?


  
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