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Re: Classical Bird's -- important lines
Reply #3 - 09/29/08 at 12:28:49
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Nice, I've started playing the Bird again myself! Still experimenting.
(1)Which setup do you intend to follow? (Nc3, Qe1, c3, a4...)
(2) Danielsen has some info on the line with h3 on his website that is not in Taylor's book.
(3) Sorry, don't know
(4)(5) e6 after Be2: One option is to play the queen's fianchetto with b3 and later Ne5, Bf3, c4.

My own sketchy repertoire: 1.f4 d5 2.Nf3
(A) 2...Nf6 3.e3 g6 4.b4!?
(B) 2...g6 3.c4!?
(C) 2...c5 3.e3 Nf6/g6 4.Bb5+ (MNb)
(D) 2...Nf6 3.e3 e6 4.b3 (Bf1 to b5, e2, d3 or even g2, depending)
  
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Re: Classical Bird's -- important lines
Reply #2 - 09/28/08 at 21:50:26
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Thanks for this! Actually I have Keith's Krap bookmarked, but foolishly didn't consult it before I posted, and now I see he actually has a whole section on ...e6 defences! Look forward to playing through games (incl. yours). Incidentally, I also found your post on NLA setups on some Queen's Gambit thread or other -- forget which -- useful/interesting.
  
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Re: Classical Bird's -- important lines
Reply #1 - 09/27/08 at 17:55:44
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By all means check this site:

http://www.geocities.com/drawyah/

Hmpf, this link does not work. OK, try this:

http://search.mywebsearch.com/mywebsearch/GGmain.jhtml?searchfor=Keith+Hayward&p...

Click Keith's Crap.
Click Miscellaneous lines to the Hayward Variation

There you'll find two examples with ...e6.
Then also check this game:

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1209432759
  

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Classical Bird's -- important lines
09/27/08 at 15:30:41
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I’m contemplating including Bird’s Opening in my repertoire and have been looking at the Classical lines 1 f4 d5 2 Nf3 g6 3 e3 and 2 …Nf6 3 e3. Though I’ve only got Taylor’s book and not Ivanov’s two pamphlets I’m more or less clear about the two main lines, (1) 2 …g6 3 e3 Bg7 4 Be2 Nf6 5 0-0 0-0 6 d3 c5 and (2) 2 …Nf6 3 e3 Bg4 4 h3 (or 4 Be2). I’m a bit puzzled, though, by the three most important(?) independent options for Black here (please let me know if I’m wrong or if there are any more!), namely: (3) 2 …g6 3 e3 Bg7 4 Be2 Nh6!? (Rogers-Ward), (4) 2 …Nf6 3 e3 c5, and (5) 2 …Nf6 3 e3 e6!?, none of which is really covered in Taylor’s very useful, but rather omissive, book.

I’ve seen Rogers-Ward described as both promising and dangerous for Black, and don’t know which to believe! It’s the strategic complications of the Nimzo-Larsen-related variations which puzzle me most, however. (4) above can be met by 4 Be2 trying to transpose into (1), but Black has 4 …Nc6 and 4 …e6 as well as 4 …g6. Also there’s 4 b3 g6 (I assume 4 …Nc6 5 Bb5 is inferior) 5 Bb2 Bg7 6 Bb5 Bd7 7 a4!?, and even 4 Bb5 Bd7 5 Bd7 when I guess White could go for a plan with c4, Nc3 and Qe2 (though it might not be too dangerous?). Similar plans are available in (5), e.g. 4 b3 c5 5 Bb2 Be7 6 Bb5 Bd7 7 a4, but there’s also the wild attacking line 6 Ne5!? 0-0 6 Bd3, which I understand is meant to be unclear.

I’d be really grateful if anyone could tell me more about the status of these lines. Black’s 3 …e6 setup might look passive but if it leads to a good Nimzo-Larsen through …Nc6 being delayed one might ask what White has got!? Also, the question arises as to whether White’s Bb5/a2-a4 plan is stronger after …g6 or …e6 (and whether it has real sting in either case).
  
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