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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #55 - 08/01/10 at 19:03:31
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Phil Adams wrote on 07/31/10 at 22:59:07:
Willempie wrote on 07/31/10 at 22:31:28:
These kind of books are gods gift to 1.e4 players


First, it is correct to say "This kind" not "These kind".
Second, what do you mean? Please explain! Smiley

Do you means all books on the Alekhine?

Do you mean repertoire books, in general?

For a chess player your attack is not very precise! Wink

I think I forgot the s after kind, but grammar don't matter, do it? Wink

To be more precise I was referring to repertoire books that cover sidelines of sidelines. A little tongue in cheek of course, but I certainly stand by the remark.
  
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Reply #54 - 08/01/10 at 16:50:04
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MarkG wrote on 08/01/10 at 16:24:12:
Markovich wrote on 08/01/10 at 14:31:15:

Taylor's book is useful, I suppose, but he puffs it up with a tremendous quantity of exposition of what he does not like. 


Agreed. Taylor's book would be very useful to someone starting out with the Alekhine and it does fill in some gaps in other works. However, most of the lines he goes to great lengths to tell us he doesn't like are, in fact, the main theoretical battlegrounds in the Alekhine, so his book won't be any help in understanding the lines discussed in this thread, for example.


Well, I gave some of views on Taylor's book already (above). Agreed, he can be a bit irritating and "in your face". Also (disappointingly) he gives the solid (tedious?) ...exd6 against the Exchange, but that is also in line with the preference of many current GMs e.g. Short, Spraggett, Mirzoev, Degraeve, Kraai, Narciso, Davies, so perhaps we should accept that that's the current trend among titled players, most of whom only have the Alekhine as an occasional weapon.

All I can say to summarise is that I (currently 2144 at age 62 - I give that information just for context) am glad to have Taylor's book. With over 80 Alekhine games played over the board, against players from 1800 up to the likes of Danny King and Mark Hebden, I have to say I found the book very readable, interesting and even refreshing.
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #53 - 08/01/10 at 16:24:12
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Markovich wrote on 08/01/10 at 14:31:15:

Taylor's book is useful, I suppose, but he puffs it up with a tremendous quantity of exposition of what he does not like. 


Agreed. Taylor's book would be very useful to someone starting out with the Alekhine and it does fill in some gaps in other works. However, most of the lines he goes to great lengths to tell us he doesn't like are, in fact, the main theoretical battlegrounds in the Alekhine, so his book won't be any help in understanding the lines discussed in this thread, for example.
  
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Reply #52 - 08/01/10 at 14:31:15
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Personally I do find the other side's repertoire books worth reading.

Taylor's book is useful, I suppose, but he puffs it up with a tremendous quantity of exposition of what he does not like.  I'm surprised that his editors permitted him to do so much of that.  If you trim the book to include only his exposition of his recommended lines, it would be, oh, perhaps two-thirds or one-half its actual length.

Taylor also persistently mocks  preferences alternative to his own, which I found neither convincing nor endearing.
  
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Reply #51 - 07/31/10 at 22:59:07
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Willempie wrote on 07/31/10 at 22:31:28:
These kind of books are gods gift to 1.e4 players


First, it is correct to say "This kind" not "These kind".
Second, what do you mean? Please explain! Smiley

Do you means all books on the Alekhine?

Do you mean repertoire books, in general?

For a chess player your attack is not very precise! Wink
  
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These kind of books are gods gift to 1.e4 players
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #49 - 07/31/10 at 20:29:30
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rabbit wrote on 07/31/10 at 17:33:34:
I've had thoughts about taking up the Alekhine and I've bought the new book 'Alekhine Alert' by Timothy Taylor.  I'd be interested to know people's views on it and its strengths and weaknesses.  Would this book be enough to launch me into this opening do you think?


Taylor gives you a repertoire, i.e. he chooses the lines for you to play, so yes that could be a useful "starter-pack" for playing around with the Alekhine. His choices are subjective of course, but mostly he explains them and he also shows you some lines he rejected and tells you why.

Cox or Bogdanov or Davies would give you a more objective overview and they cover more ground.

Burgess's two older books will also very useful if you find you are really getting to like this opening. I could on...Bagirov is still very useful for instance. Alekhine's defence tends to attract real devotees (fanatics?)! 

It probably helps if you've played quite a few other defences first, since Black's flexible pawn structure means that a variety of pawn structures can be reached, so if you don't know your way around them you can easily become lost.

Good luck!
  
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Reply #48 - 07/31/10 at 17:33:34
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I've had thoughts about taking up the Alekhine and I've bought the new book 'Alekhine Alert' by Timothy Taylor.  I'd be interested to know people's views on it and its strengths and weaknesses.  Would this book be enough to launch me into this opening do you think?
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #47 - 07/30/10 at 20:14:41
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Phil Adams wrote on 07/30/10 at 14:58:03:
To be frank I have not noticed much happening with the Alekhine recently but this week in the British Championship the Polish (!) player (don't ask  Smiley ) Tymrakiewicz has been playing 9..Bf5 against the Voronezh!

I've attached some analysis of his game against M.Rich which shows that one of the ...d5 lines that I initially dismissed as bad for Black in fact seems to provide interesting compensation.

Today Tymrakiewicz has played an interesting sacrificial line first analysed at the forum's Alekhine offshoot, the Alekhine Defence Working Group! More on this later.

A big thankyou to Luis for drawing my attention to these games!


As promised, here (attached, with light notes) is today's game featuring 9...Bf5 against the Voronezh. It features a successful first (as far as we know) outing for a sacrifice proposed by Mark Morss and included in the Alekhine Defense Working Group's extensive survey of 9...Bf5.
  
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To be frank I have not noticed much happening with the Alekhine recently but this week in the British Championship the Polish (!) player (don't ask  Smiley ) Tymrakiewicz has been playing 9..Bf5 against the Voronezh!

I've attached some analysis of his game against M.Rich which shows that one of the ...d5 lines that I initially dismissed as bad for Black in fact seems to provide interesting compensation.

Today Tymrakiewicz has played an interesting sacrificial line first analysed at the forum's Alekhine offshoot, the Alekhine Defence Working Group! More on this later.

A big thankyou to Luis for drawing my attention to these games!
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #45 - 03/21/10 at 16:33:32
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Paddy wrote on 02/12/10 at 20:55:55:
Bresando wrote on 02/12/10 at 19:31:16:
Against an over-2200 opposition i would probably lose even with an extra queen, so that is not a problem Grin.
Returning to Paddy's line, probably my poor english is the reason of your misunderstanding;
My doubt was not about the line Quote:
9....Bf5 10.Nf3 Bg4
which looks very clever to me but about Quote:
9...Bf5 10 Be2 e5!?
and only now 11 Nf3 where 11...Bg4?! can't be followed by d5 because black has already played e5.
If fact my question is: if white avoids dxe5 and simply develops with Nf3 is black committed to a waiting move or there is an active plan that i am missing?


First, to clarify, after 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. exd6 cxd6 5. c4 Nb6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Rc1
O-O 9. b3 Bf5 10. Nf3 the idea is definitely to lose a tempo and play 10...Bg4, aiming to reach a normal type of position in which the d4 pawn is fixed, e.g.

[Event "North American op 17th"]
[Site "Las Vegas"]
[Date "2007.12.28"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Andrews, Todd D"]
[Black "Nakamura, Hikaru"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B03"]
[WhiteElo "2304"]
[BlackElo "2648"]
[PlyCount "70"]
[EventDate "2007.12.26"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "USA"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2008.01.10"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. exd6 cxd6 5. c4 Nb6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Rc1
O-O 9. b3 Bf5 10. Nf3 Bg4 11. Be2 e6 12. O-O d5 13. c5 Nc8 14. b4 Bxf3 15. Bxf3
a6 16. a4 Nc6 17. b5 Na5 18. Re1 h6 19. Bf4 Ne7 20. Be5 Bxe5 21. Rxe5 Nf5 22.
Be2 axb5 23. axb5 Qf6 24. f4 Nxd4 25. Qxd4 Nb3 26. Qe3 d4 27. Ne4 Qxe5 28. Qf3
Qf5 29. g4 Qxe4 30. Qxe4 Nxc1 31. Bc4 d3 32. Qe3 Rfd8 33. Qd2 Ra4 34. Bxd3 Nxd3
35. c6 Ra1+ 0-1

Secondly, if White prevents ...d5 by playing 12 d5 himself, Black can reply with 12...e5, e.g.

[Event "FRA-chT Top 16 GpA"]
[Site "France"]
[Date "2008.03.23"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Baklan, Vladimir"]
[Black "Nakamura, Hikaru"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B03"]
[WhiteElo "2647"]
[BlackElo "2670"]
[PlyCount "128"]
[EventDate "2008.03.22"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "7"]
[EventCountry "FRA"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2008.05.06"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 cxd6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Rc1
O-O 9. b3 Bf5 10. Nf3 Bg4 11. Be2 e6 12. d5 e5 13. O-O Bxf3 14. Bxf3 Na6 15.
Be2 f5 16. f3 Nc8 17. a3 Bf6 18. Bf2 Bh4 19. g3 Bg5 20. Rc2 Nc7 21. b4 b6 22.
Re1 Bf6 23. Bf1 Kg7 24. Rd2 a5 25. Na4 axb4 26. axb4 Na6 27. Qb3 Rf7 28. Ra2
Rfa7 29. Nc3 Nc7 30. Rxa7 Rxa7 31. Na4 Rb7 32. Qc2 Qe8 33. Rd1 b5 34. cxb5 Nxb5
35. Qc6 Qxc6 36. dxc6 Rb8 37. Nb6 Nc3 38. Nxc8 Nxd1 39. Nxd6 Nxf2 40. c7 Ra8
41. Kxf2 Be7 42. c8=Q Rxc8 43. Nxc8 Bxb4 44. Bc4 Bc5+ 45. Ke2 h5 46. h3 Kf6 47.
Kd3 Bf2 48. Ke2 Bc5 49. Bd5 Kg7 50. Kd3 Kf6 51. Kc4 Bf2 52. g4 hxg4 53. fxg4 e4
54. Nd6 Bg3 55. Nf7 Bf4 56. Kd4 Bc1 57. h4 Bb2+ 58. Ke3 Bc1+ 59. Kd4 Bb2+ 60.
Kc4 fxg4 61. Ng5 Kg7 62. Nxe4 Bf6 63. Nxf6 Kxf6 64. Kd4 g5 1/2-1/2

Of course, Black was eventually in difficulties in the Baklan game ("I swindled Vladimir Baklan with black in an Alekhine and drew." Nakamura) but that does not necessarily imply that Black was significantly worse in the opening. Although in most lines Black does indeed do best to adopt the ...d5. ...e6 pawn centre, there are many Alekhine games by strong players in which the ....d6, ...e5 centre provided enough counterplay and the structure of white pawns c4 and d5 vs black pawns d6 and e5 is a familiar one from the ...e5 Sicilian lines.

However, it is not clear to me why Nakamura did not play 11...d5 in the two games above; why is it necessary / better to prepare it with 11...e6? Unless White has something better than 12 c5 Nc8 13 0-0 it seems that the game is likely to transpose to

[Event "Gibraltar Masters"]
[Site "Gibraltar"]
[Date "2007.01.24"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Narayanan, Srinath"]
[Black "Nakamura, Hikaru"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B04"]
[WhiteElo "2229"]
[BlackElo "2651"]
[PlyCount "76"]
[EventDate "2007.01.23"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "GGB"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2007.03.07"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 cxd6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Be2
Nc6 9. Rc1 O-O 10. b3 Bf5 11. Nf3 d5 12. O-O Bg4 13. c5 Nc8 14. b4 a6 15. Rb1
e6 16. a4 Bxf3 17. Bxf3 N8e7 18. b5 Na5 19. Bg5 h6 20. Bxe7 Qxe7 21. Qd3 Rfd8
22. bxa6 Rxa6 23. Nb5 Nc6 24. Nd6 Ra7 25. Rb6 Bxd4 26. Rxc6 Rxa4 27. Nb5 bxc6
28. Nxd4 Rc8 29. g3 e5 30. Nb3 Qf6 31. Bg2 Ra3 32. Qc2 Rb8 33. Nd2 e4 34. Qc1
Ra2 35. Bxe4 Qd4 36. Bxd5 Qxd5 37. Nc4 Qxc5 38. Qc3 Rb4 0-1

Thirdly, 10 Be2 e5!? is (as far as I know) a new position, so we can only be tentative at this stage. My previous posts argued that Black has sufficient counterplay if White exchanges the pawns and the queens and that Black is sufficiently better off than in the lines with 9...e5. If White declines to exchange on e5 and develops with 11 Nf3 instead, then Black has several plausible moves e.g. 11...e4 (this forcing move should be analysed first - if good, problem solved!), 11...Nc6, 11...Qe7 and maybe 11...Na6.

Fourthly, we need to work out how to develop after 10 Be2 e5!? 11 d5, when the bishop might be misplaced on f5. (Baklan-Nakamura may or may not indicate the way to go.)

Fifthly, I began to worry whether there was a simple positional refutation of 9...Bf5 in 10 d5, intending Nf3-d4 with the sort of bind/space advantage  - based on a pawn structure known to be favourable to White (e.g. from the Sicilian Dragon) - which is the main point of the Voronezh move order, but I think Black's counterplay comes quick enough despite another loss of tempo with the bishop (!)  i.e. 10 d5 e5! and if 11 dxe6 Bxe6 12 Nf3 Nc6 13 Be2 d5! and if then 14 c5 d4! seems at least =+.

Your thoughts please!


Only a blitz game, I know, but it is surely interesting to see how Nakamura responded when faced with his own 9...Bf5 line in the recent Dos Hermanas blitz competition.

[Event "FI32"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2010.03.20"]
[Round "32"]
[White "Smallville"]
[Black "MEGAYARICK"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B02"]
[WhiteElo "3316"]
[BlackElo "3178"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2010.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. exd6 cxd6 6. Nc3 g6 7. b3 Bg7 8. Be3
O-O 9. Rc1 Bf5 10. Nf3 Bg4 11. Be2 d5 12. c5 Nc8 13. b4 Nc6 14. b5 Na5 15. O-O
Bxf3 16. Bxf3 e6 17. Be2 Ne7 18. Bd3 Nf5 19. Ne2 a6 20. a4 axb5 21. axb5 Nc4 22. Bxc4 dxc4 23. Rxc4 Qd5 24. Qc2 Rfd8 25. Nf4 Qd7 26. c6 bxc6 27. bxc6 Qc7
28. Ne2 Nd6 29. Rc5 Nf5 30. Bf4 Qe7 31. c7 Rdc8 32. Be5 f6 33. Bg3 Qd7 34. Qc4
Kh8 35. Rb1 Ra4 36. Qb5 Qxb5 37. Rcxb5 Ne7 38. Bd6 Nc6 39. Rb8 Na7 40. Bc5 h5
41. Bxa7 Rxa7 42. Rxc8+ {Black resigns} 1-0

Source: http://www.chessclub.com
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
Reply #44 - 02/17/10 at 15:00:25
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well, this is great because it is getting more likely that we will have Marin doing an article on the Voroznev
  
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Reply #43 - 02/17/10 at 13:26:05
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lg wrote on 02/17/10 at 12:26:06:
OldGrizzly

In one of your previous posts you mention

"[instead of 13...Nc6 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Nge2 with advantage to White - Marin.]"

Apparently this remark is by Marin. Can you tell me where it is from? Thanks, lg



The original reference was in one of my posts. This game is in Megabase:

[Event "Cupa Dinamo"]
[Site "Brasov"]
[Date "1998.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Sofronie, Iulian"]
[Black "Zlatic, Mihajlo"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B03"]
[WhiteElo "2405"]
[BlackElo "2375"]
[Annotator "Marin,M"]
[PlyCount "69"]
[EventDate "1998.03.??"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "ROM"]
[EventCategory "8"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "1998.04.29"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. exd6 cxd6 6. Nc3 g6 7. Be3 Bg7 8. Rc1
O-O 9. b3 Bf5 10. Be2 d5 11. c5 Nc8 12. Bf3 Nc6 (12... e6 13. g4) 13. Bxd5 e5
14. Bxc6 bxc6 15. dxe5 $6 (15. Nge2 exd4 16. Bxd4 $18) 15... Bxe5 16. Qxd8 Rxd8
17. Nf3 Bg7 18. O-O Ne7 19. Bg5 Rd7 20. Rfe1 Nd5 21. Nxd5 Rxd5 22. Red1 Be4 23.
Rxd5 Bxd5 $44 24. Nd2 f5 25. Kf1 (25. h4 $142) 25... h6 26. Be7 Re8 27. Bd6 g5
28. f3 g4 29. Bf4 h5 30. a4 Bd4 31. b4 a6 {#} 32. fxg4 $2 fxg4 33. g3 h4 $1 $18
34. Re1 (34. gxh4 Rf8) (34. Nc4 h3 {/\Bg2}) 34... Bg2+ 35. Kxg2 0-1
  
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Re: Building an Alekhine Repertoire....
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In one of your previous posts you mention

"[instead of 13...Nc6 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Nge2 with advantage to White - Marin.]"

Apparently this remark is by Marin. Can you tell me where it is from? Thanks, lg

  
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By the way, GM Skembris is not convinced by the tactical 10...d5. He definitely prefers the strategical play after 10...e5 etc. Wink
  
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