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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #10 - 03/22/10 at 21:44:50
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Interesting , i dont face the Aljechin often as white , but 3.Nc3 looks like a nice offbeat line imo , ok , i won easily after 3..Nb6 :

[Site "?"]
[Date "2010.03.05"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Meyer, Juergen"]
[Black "Hansen, Bernd"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B02"]
[WhiteElo "1896"]
[BlackElo "1729"]
[PlyCount "29"]
[EventDate "2010.02.13"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. Nc3 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. f4 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. Qf3 c6 8. Bd3
dxe5 9. fxe5 Be6 10. Nh3 Nd5 11. Ng5 Nxe3 12. Nxe6 Nxg2+ 13. Qxg2 fxe6 14.
Bxg6+ Kd7 15. Bf7 1-0

I like 3... Nxc3 4.bxc3  ( 4.dxc3 is tricky and needs attention from black  ) d6 ( d5 5.La3 ) too :

[Event "Budapest FS02 IM"]
[Site "Budapest"]
[Date "2009.02.08"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Kislik, Erik Andrew"]
[Black "Farago, Sandor"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B02"]
[WhiteElo "2310"]
[BlackElo "2263"]
[PlyCount "75"]
[EventDate "2009.02.07"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "HUN"]
[EventCategory "1"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2009.03.05"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. Nc3 Nxc3 4. bxc3 d6 5. f4 dxe5 6. fxe5 c5 7. Bc4 Nc6 8.
e6 Bxe6 9. Bxe6 fxe6 10. Nh3 Qd5 11. O-O O-O-O 12. Qg4 h5 13. Qa4 g5 14. d3 Bh6
15. Be3 g4 16. Nf4 Bxf4 17. Rxf4 g3 18. hxg3 Rdg8 19. Bf2 h4 20. Rxh4 Nb4 21.
Rxh8 Rxh8 22. Qxa7 Na6 23. Rb1 Qh5 24. Qxb7+ Kd8 25. Kf1 Nc7 26. g4 Qh2 27. Ke2
Qe5+ 28. Kd2 Rh2 29. Qf3 Nd5 30. Qf8+ Kd7 31. Rb7+ Nc7 32. Qf3 Qg5+ 33. Be3 Qe5
34. Bf4 Rxg2+ 35. Kc1 Rg1+ 36. Kb2 Qe1 37. Rxc7+ Ke8 38. Rc8+ 1-0

Better 12. Nf4 Qc4 13.Qg4 with an advantage
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #9 - 01/01/10 at 05:51:27
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Well, I am no one to argue with a FIDE 2500+.  Nice to see you here, Marc.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #8 - 12/31/09 at 20:43:09
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Markovich wrote on 10/03/09 at 20:50:33:
Imho Black should play 4...d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Qxd8+ Kxd8 7.Nxe5 Ke8.  Black is way behind in development, but White has trouble finding anything to do, and eventually Black can hope for an excellent ending.  It's going to be a long game, but so what?


I played this line as white long ago and got the impression that white is active enough after 8.Be3 (idea 0-0-0, Be2); the Ne5 goes to c4 (and sometimes later to a5) any time it is attacked, with a slight iniciative. 
I personally prefer and would recommend anybody 4...d5 to 4...d6 for black in this line (and also against 4.bxc3 btw)   
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #7 - 12/07/09 at 10:34:37
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I haven't looked seriously at these lines for a long time, but in the 3.Nc3 Nxc3 4.dxc3 line I used to have excellent results by playing 4...d5. The model game was really Adams - Agdestein (I think that game is in Cox book - and white won, butt hat had more to do with Admas being very clever than the position) but in general the plan of playing Bf5, e6, c6 or c5, Qa5, c5-c4 and storm against the white queenside with the b-pawnwas very effective - especially when the Bishop was allowed to remain dominating the diagonal h7-b1. Probably white has found more clever ways since then - but if not I'd prefer this kind of double-edged middlegame to the ending described after d6 - without having any serious opinion on the acutal merit of that line and how it compares to the line with 4...d5.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #6 - 10/05/09 at 18:21:49
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The chase variation is the line I dislike most as black, whether it's objectively equal or not. 
Have to agree with the comments about Davies' books, some pretty bizarre choices at times, and avoidance of any lines which might require some real homework to make playable.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #5 - 10/05/09 at 17:55:47
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I had the same thought about the Chase variation. At least there are some lines there where white does actually gambit a pawn  Smiley
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #4 - 10/05/09 at 17:34:20
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I had a strange game where my opponent met 4...d6 with 5.exd6.  I played 5...Qxd6, and when my opponent declined to exchange queens on d6, I eventually reached a favorable endgame.

Parenthetically, I would think a so-called Gambiteer would play the Chase Variation.  Most likely Davies didn't want to delve into its complexities.  But that line also would be unlikely to produce an advantage against a well-prepared opponent.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #3 - 10/05/09 at 16:36:38
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I haven't seen the Gambiteer book but presumably in it Davies suggests meeting the line given by Markovich with 8.Bb5+ as he does in his Alekhine book. This whole line seems an odd choice for a "Gambiteer" as provided black finds the accurate 8...Bd7 9.Nxd7 Nxd7, I think white has almost nothing here. Perhaps he could claim the two bishops are worth something, but it seems pretty thin to me especially because that kingside pawn majority must count for something in the long term (as suggested by Markovich). Given that I play the Spanish Exchange with white, I would prefer to be sitting behind the black pieces here.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #2 - 10/03/09 at 23:11:08
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1. Was recommended in Gambiteer I, Davies' somewhat mixed repertoire book.
  
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Re: Alekhine 3.Nc3
Reply #1 - 10/03/09 at 20:50:33
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Imho Black should play 4...d6 5.Nf3 dxe5 6.Qxd8+ Kxd8 7.Nxe5 Ke8.  Black is way behind in development, but White has trouble finding anything to do, and eventually Black can hope for an excellent ending.  It's going to be a long game, but so what?
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Alekhine 3.Nc3
10/03/09 at 16:58:22
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Recently I have tried to get back into OTB chess. One of my games (with me as black) began  1.e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. Nc3 Nxc3 4.dxc3

This didn't strike me as odd at the time as I have always felt this line was a slightly obscure but good choice that one could play effectively without knowing a lot of theory - perfect for meeting a comparatively rare opening like the Alekhine at amateur level (my opponent was USCF 2200).

I do however play a lot of blitz on FICS and over the last month or so I have suddenly started encountering this line a lot more often than before. In particular, while previously 4.bxc3 was about equally common, every recent game has gone 4.dxc3.

So two questions...

1. Was this recently recommended somewhere or is it just a statistical fluke that I am encountering it so often?

2. What do the Alekhine fans here think is black's best approach after 4. dxc3 ? I played 4...d5 in the OTB game but wasn't thrilled by my position.
  
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