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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #13 - 05/13/12 at 11:45:37
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I also find the 14.d3 lines annoying for black.
This is how my opponent has played the white position in a still ongoing game

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 11.exd5 e4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Rxe4 Bb7 14.d3! Bxd5 15.Re1 Qd6?! 16.Nbd2 f5 17.d4!? Bf6 18.b3

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I don't like the black position.
An improvement to this line for black is probably the already mentioned 15...c5 or,
perhaps even 15...Bd6 could be an idea. At least that prevents Bf4 from white.
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #12 - 12/07/11 at 10:17:21
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Only advice I can give cf that position is to check all those Marshall gambit lines where black plays very calmly when a pawn down with bishops. I'm not sure quite how similar this is but maybe that sort of thing will work.

Mind, I do find the whole idea a gentle affront to the honour of the Lopez Smiley Doesn't mean it can't be sound of course!
(like that delayed Marshall in the 8 h3 anti etc.).
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #11 - 12/07/11 at 07:02:29
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For me Gajewski is not fully sound.. At least, I wouldn't try it in a correspondence chess game. Maybe it's a good practical weapon (surprising the opponent and so on..), but that's all.  Cool
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #10 - 12/06/11 at 19:35:33
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(Bump). This whole 14.d3 line disturbs me. No mention of it in any of the theoretical literature (very little, anyway), and yet it poses some serious problems. My latest effort:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 11.exd5 e4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Rxe4 Bb7 14.d3 Bxd5 15.Re1 Qd6 16.Nbd2 f5 17.a4 b4 18.Ne5 Bf6 19.d4 Rfe8

How is Black supposed to play this? Or, put another way, why hasn't this become White's main approach to countering the Gajewski? It seems to me that White has an easier time of subduing Black's counterplay. (Incidentally, this is one of the main reasons I am moving away from this line).
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #9 - 12/22/09 at 03:58:05
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I tried (and can't recommend):

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 11.exd5 e4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Rxe4 Bb7 14.d3 Bxd5 15.Re1 Bd6 16.Nbd2 f5

Things went badly, but I must confess I didn't quite understand the nature of the position after 14.d3.  This looks like a line worth further study, though.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #8 - 12/21/09 at 21:42:54
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HgMan wrote on 12/11/09 at 21:16:49:
A line I noticed wasn't mentioned in Brunello's new book:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 11.exd5 e4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Rxe4 Bb7 14.d3

14.d3 strikes me as interesting and consistent with some plans in the Marshall, though I will need to study this more carefully.  Any thoughts on how Black should respond?


I was exactly wondering about this! Smiley
14.d3 has been played by Mamedov and Navara who both beat their GM opposition (Teterev and Stevic respectively).
A little analisys which should be improvable:
14…Bxd5 (what else?!) 15.Re1 here the two GMs played 15…c5 where I feel that Navara’s 16.Bf4 is better than Mamedov’s  16.Nbd2  which should nonetheless give white a little plus (I feel that 23.Ne3 is an improvement over the game’s 23.b3). So I like 15…Qd6 (played in the first game in my database with 14.d3 by a 2163 player) which controls the f4 square. Now the engines like the idea of continuing to limit the white pieces on the q-side (the c1 bishop doesn’t have good squares): 16.Nbd2 f5!? 17.Cf1 f4 18.C1d2 c5 (it may seem natural to play 18…Nc6 as the knight wasn’t probably that happy on a5; 19.Ne4 Qg6, with some compensation;  but 19.a4 is logical and proposed by the engines Qg6 20.Qe2 Rae8 21.axb5 axb5 22.Ne4 doesn’t look that nice for black to me) 19.Ce4 Dg6 20.Cxc5? (after 20.Qe2 Rae8 I think black has enough for the pawn; 20.c4!? seems to be the best 20…bxc4 21.Nc3 Be6 22.Ne5 Qf5 23.dxc4 Bf6 24.Nd5 Nxc4 25.Bxf4 Nxb2 looks good for white but something we (black!) can manage) Axc5 21.b4 Axb4 (I guess the guy took the wrong pawn:  21…Bxf2 22.Kxf2 Qg3 23.Kf1 Nc6 is the kind of position black is looking for in the Gajewski I guess) 22.cxb4 Cc6 23.Ab2 Cxb4 24.Te7 Tf7 25.Txf7 Dxf7 26.Ce5 Df5 27.a4 Te8 28.axb5 axb5 29.Dg4 Txe5 ˝–˝, Daulyte-Kuchynka, Brno 2008;
17.Nb3!? Nxb3 18.axb3 Rae8, black has some compensation for the pawn.

In conclusion I’m not sure what to do as black! I like the Kuchynka game, 20.c4 looks dangerous as white should have a slight (at least!)  plus.

Hope somebody can improve 

  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #7 - 12/12/09 at 22:30:39
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MilenPetrov wrote on 10/12/09 at 10:45:06:
Yes, 12...f5 looks somehow dubious. Deserves attention 12...Bc5 13.Re2 Nc4 14.b3 Nb6 15.b4 Be7 16.Nd4 Bd7 17.Bf4 c5 18.bxc5 Bxc5 19.Bxe4 dxe4 20.Rxe4 Rc8 21.Qf3 Nd5 22.Re1 Be6 as played in Lukasevicius-Egan, corr. 2008. Black has compensation for the pawn according to Brunello, but I am not sure whether both players played correctly.


17.Bf4 is probably wrong, but I think Black was likely alright anyway.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #6 - 12/11/09 at 21:16:49
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A line I noticed wasn't mentioned in Brunello's new book:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 d5 11.exd5 e4 12.Bxe4 Nxe4 13.Rxe4 Bb7 14.d3

14.d3 strikes me as interesting and consistent with some plans in the Marshall, though I will need to study this more carefully.  Any thoughts on how Black should respond?
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #5 - 10/30/09 at 10:37:34
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@ACSian:
Your analysis goes 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 d5 11. d4 exd4 12. e5 Ne4 13. cxd4 f6 14. exf6 Bxf6 15. Nc3 Bb7 16. Nxe4 dxe4 17. Bxe4 Bxe4 18. Rxe4 c5 "with compensation"

On the other hand, there are a number of older games from about the 1950ies that went 9. h3 Bb7 10. d4 exd4 (?) 11. cxd4 d5 12. e5 Ne4 13. Nc3 Na5 14. Bc2 f5 15. exf6 Bxf6 16. Nxe4 dxe4 17. Bxe4 Bxe4 18. Rxe4 c5 19. Rg4 cxd4 20. Bg5 (Byvshev - Lilienthal/URS-ch21 Kiev 1954, and Tal,M-Lehmann,H/Hamburg 1960) and soon with "clear advantage for White" in Khalifman, Opening acc. Anand 2, ch.29.

The only difference is the move order. Well, and the assessment of the resulting position...
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #4 - 10/30/09 at 07:23:40
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Against d4 yours truly would humbly recommend 11...exd4 12. e5 Ne4 13. cxd4 f6!? sacrificing the pawn.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #3 - 10/12/09 at 10:45:06
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Yes, 12...f5 looks somehow dubious. Deserves attention 12...Bc5 13.Re2 Nc4 14.b3 Nb6 15.b4 Be7 16.Nd4 Bd7 17.Bf4 c5 18.bxc5 Bxc5 19.Bxe4 dxe4 20.Rxe4 Rc8 21.Qf3 Nd5 22.Re1 Be6 as played in Lukasevicius-Egan, corr. 2008. Black has compensation for the pawn according to Brunello, but I am not sure whether both players played correctly. For now I did not considered this line. I am focused on 11...dxe4 at present. When I have some time I will take a deeper look and the 11...Ne4 line.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #2 - 10/11/09 at 17:02:49
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I gave "16 Qe2! c6 17 a4 with a small edge." in my notes to Kotronias-Lie in the May '08 update - http://www.chesspublishing.com/content/1/may08.htm - but anyway 16...Qd6 looks wrong as apart from the loss of control of g5, this is also the knight's square when White plays b3.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez Gajewski
Reply #1 - 10/11/09 at 05:02:46
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I played just yesterday this variation, and the white player played perfectly in my opinion, with a novelty in  16th nd move with Qe2 and the next move with Ng5 was fantastic.
Perhaps I should´nt have played in 12... f5
Not easy for black to handle this position

[Event "1ş Division Asturias 2009-2010"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2009.10.10"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Arruebarrena, Rafael"]
[Black "Santos Latasa, Jaime"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C96"]
[WhiteElo "2261"]
[BlackElo "2260"]
[Annotator "Santos Latasa,Jaime"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[EventDate "2009.10.03"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3
O-O 9. h3 Na5 10. Bc2 d5 11. d4 Nxe4 12. dxe5 f5 (12... Bc5 ) 13.
exf6 Bxf6 14. Nbd2 Nxd2  15. Qxd2 Nc4 16. Qe2  Qd6 (16... c5) (16... a5) 17. Ng5 Bxg5 18.
Bxg5 Qb6 19. b3 Nd6 20. Rad1 Bb7 21. Be3 Qc6 22. Bd4 Nf5 23. Bxf5 Rxf5 24. Qg4
Rf7 (24... Qg6) 25. Re6 Qd7 26. Rde1 Rd8 27. Qh4 Qc8 28. Re7 Rdf8 29. Bxg7 Rxg7
(29... Kxg7 30. R1e5) 30. Rxg7+ Kxg7 31. Qg5+ Kh8 32. Re7 1-0

Please let me know your opinion.

  
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Ruy Lopez Gajewski
10/05/09 at 19:26:19
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Hello all, I think may be it is time again for a new update what is going on in this interesting line. If anyone has a good recent references showing what white/black has discovered it would be great. I tried to search myself and found some interesting games which i will bear in mind when analysing this. At least we can start a new discussion what is going on and to share/exchange some ideas.
  
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