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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #9 - 12/09/09 at 09:20:33
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If you want to consider something slightly different it's worth looking at 3..ne7 as played by Sokolov, Howell, Adams etc.

Leko played Fischer's defence (3..d6)

3..h6  played by Nunn and Svidler

Karpov 2...d5 transposing into the modern line.

3...g5 - Shirov and Ivanchuk's choice which I think must be a strong option, although the allgaier line is tricky to defend in practice
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #8 - 12/05/09 at 18:32:45
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I agree with most of what's been posted.  3..g5 must be best, but 3..d5 is more practical.  The Nimzovich Counter Gambit is good for blitz.  Markovich's 5.Bc4 transposes to a line of the Bishop's Gambit, when 8..Nf6 might be better than 8..Bg4.
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #7 - 12/04/09 at 20:51:09
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Like a few other: best are
3.Nf3 g5
3.Bc4 Nc6 intending 4.Nf3 g5.
  

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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #6 - 12/04/09 at 15:13:45
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Yes, the Falkbeer is slightly inferior in all lines- White should get some advantage against both 3...c6 and 3...e4.

The line 3.Bc4 Nc6 4.Nf3 g5 is almost certain to lead to a Hanstein Gambit, where Black is comfortable.  Just be careful not to be tempted into going ...g4 unless prompted with h2-h4, as the Muzio Gambit and related lines are dangerous for Black.  Black gets a pawn chain h6-g5-f4.

I agree that the objectively best response to 3.Nf3 is 3...g5 but that 3...d5 (or 2...d5 3.exd5 exf4) is perfectly adequate for Black.  But after 3...g5 you have to watch for the Rosentreter Gambit (4.d4), the Hanstein (4.Bc4, when 4...Nc6 transposes to the line in para 1) and the Kieseritzky with 4.h4 g4 5.Ne5 (or the Allgaier, 5.Ng5).  In the Kieseritzky, 5...Nf6 is the best response, but play gets quite complex after 6.Bc4! d5 7.exd5 and either 7...Bd6 or 7...Bg7.

I have discussed my own pet response, 3...Nc6, which often tricks White into the Hanstein but is probably not as theoretically testing because 4.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ne5 transposes to the 5...Nc6 line of the Kieseritzky (instead 5...Nf6 is more critical) and 4.Nc3 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng5 is better than the standard Allgaier.  However I'm not sure how 3...d6 (also intending 4...g5) is currently faring.  I remember White was having a few problems in the line 4.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng1.
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #5 - 12/04/09 at 14:22:01
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Reverse wrote on 12/04/09 at 14:17:26:
What about the Falkbeer Counter Gambit? I just spoke to a friend who said he recalled one of his opponents- some guy rated 2350+ Fide- playing it against him. He said the line went

1e4 e5 2f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4 Nc3

He couldn't really remember the game since it was played in the  late 90's or so. I am not sure about this c6 move, looks a little suspicious.


I would shun this.  After 4...exf4, which I believe is the principal move, White should play 5.Bc4! when 5...Qh4+ 6.Kf1 f3 7.d3 fxg2+ 8.Kxg2 Bg4 9.Qd2! is significantly better for White, notwithstanding the airy situation of his king.
  

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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #4 - 12/04/09 at 14:21:24
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That's the Nimzowitsch Counter-Gambit, and I think 4. Nc3 is the best move, if I remember correctly. I'd also disagree that the Falkbeer is the best way to play for Black, since 1. e4 e5 2. f4 d5 3. ed e4 4. d3! is probably somewhere around +=/=, and has been for a long time.
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #3 - 12/04/09 at 14:17:26
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What about the Falkbeer Counter Gambit? I just spoke to a friend who said he recalled one of his opponents- some guy rated 2350+ Fide- playing it against him. He said the line went

1e4 e5 2f4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4 Nc3

He couldn't really remember the game since it was played in the  late 90's or so. I am not sure about this c6 move, looks a little suspicious.
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #2 - 12/04/09 at 14:05:04
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Definitely 3...g5 is the best move, but like Markovich said, it would also require the most work and memory, as well as tactical acumen in my opinion.

Wasn't there a large e-book or PGN file created by members of this forum on the King's Gambit not too long ago? Does that still exist somewhere?
  
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Re: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
Reply #1 - 12/04/09 at 14:01:17
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Reverse wrote on 12/04/09 at 13:29:06:
Hey Guys,

what is the best line for black against the King's gambit?
I assume taking the pawn must be the start. I looked at the declined and seems to have a pleasant game.

1e4 e5 2f4 exf4 3.Nf3 and 3Bc4 ?what should black play. I started this topic because the other topic below dealt with black wanting to play something that has little theory.


On a side note I beat my first master a couple years ago in the following manner, I was black.

1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 f5!?! 4 e5 Qh4+ 5 Kf1 f3 6 d4 fxg2+ 7 Kxg2. Anyway, I am not so sure about this f5 stuff.


There are several fully adequate defenses.

However, there is no doubt that the theoretically best reply to the Knight's Gambit is 3...g5.  White has all he can do to demonstrate equality.  But you have to know your stuff very well, and depending on how often you face the KG and how easy it is for you to recall the details of your preparations, employing this may not be practical.  Personally, I play the Modern Defense to the Knight's Gambit, which is very straightforward and still offers Black winning chances.

Against the Bishop's Gambit, there is a broad consensus that Bogoliubov's defense, 3...Nf6 4.Nc3 c6, is best.  However my personal opinion is that 3...Nc6 is much more difficult for Black to deal with, since 4.d4, formerly supposed to be good, more or less fails to 4...Nf6 5.e5 d5 6.Bb3 Bg4.  Best for White is to transpose into a Knight's Gambit with 4.Nf3, when Black plays 3...g5.  But for this reason, playing 3...Nc6 against the Bishop's Gambit presupposes Black's willingness to play 3...g5 against the Knight's Gambit, or at least to play closely related positions.  Personally, I play Bogoliubov's defense.
  

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C30-C39: King's Gambit: Best line for black?
12/04/09 at 13:29:06
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Hey Guys,

what is the best line for black against the King's gambit?
I assume taking the pawn must be the start. I looked at the declined and seems to have a pleasant game.

1e4 e5 2f4 exf4 3.Nf3 and 3Bc4 ?what should black play. I started this topic because the other topic below dealt with black wanting to play something that has little theory.


On a side note I beat my first master a couple years ago in the following manner, I was black.

1 e4 e5 2 f4 exf4 3 Bc4 f5!?! 4 e5 Qh4+ 5 Kf1 f3 6 d4 fxg2+ 7 Kxg2. Anyway, I am not so sure about this f5 stuff.
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