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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #25 - 06/01/10 at 19:33:32
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Paddy wrote on 05/09/10 at 10:38:04:
lg wrote on 03/17/10 at 15:17:15:
Curious

A 4PA is being played in the Euro Championship, game
Savchenko-Narciso Dublan
and guess what?

Main line and 9...Qd7. Great!


An interesting fight, but of no great theoretical significance, since 10 Qd2 is very rare and surely less critical than 10 Be2. However, Narciso seems to be playing the Alekhine with great enthusiasm at the moment, so all his games are likely to worth attention.


The Alekhine section of the forum has been very quiet lately, so I thought I'd contribute the attached game and comments. Narciso has recently played another game with ...Qd7 and ...Rd8 against the 4 Pawns!

Subscribers to this section will be interested to learn that the game confirms some ChessPub analysis by John Watson, based on work by Luis. I think I might have also discovered Narciso's intended improvement on Watson (see attached game).
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #24 - 05/09/10 at 10:38:04
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lg wrote on 03/17/10 at 15:17:15:
Curious

A 4PA is being played in the Euro Championship, game
Savchenko-Narciso Dublan
and guess what?

Main line and 9...Qd7. Great!


An interesting fight, but of no great theoretical significance, since 10 Qd2 is very rare and surely less critical than 10 Be2. However, Narciso seems to be playing the Alekhine with great enthusiasm at the moment, so all his games are likely to worth attention.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #23 - 05/08/10 at 16:03:19
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lg wrote on 05/04/10 at 12:53:44:
Out of the country with no acces to my notes/books

Could you please contextualize the game in term sof previosu games? What is the new move?

Somehow, I have never liked the Bg4 variation. Too positional for a 4PA


I used to play the ...Bg4 line with the risky 13...Nbd7 instead of 13...Nd5, which has always seemed depressing to me. The general GM opinion (e.g. Atalik) seems to be that 13...Nd5 is more solid and that Black can probably draw with good play and a strategy of blockade. After 1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. f4 dxe5 6. fxe5 Nc6 7. Be3 Bf5 8. Nc3 e6 9. Nf3 Bg4 10. Be2 Bxf3 11. gxf3 Qh4+ 12. Bf2 Qf4 13. c5 Nd5 14. Nxd5 exd5 15. Qd2 Qxd2+ 16. Kxd2, here 16...g6 is the most popular move, intending something like 17 Be3 h5 18 f4 Ne7 19 Bd3 Nf5 20 Bxf5 gxf5 (= according to Illescas). Baburin tried (and lost with) a more active plan of 16...g6 17 Be3 f6 18 exf6 Kf7.

Rozentalis's 16...Ne7 has not been played much, although of course it might well transpose into 16...g6 lines.

Bologan's 17. Bb5+ appears to be new. The game was quite sharp and deserves serious analysis by someone much stronger than me!

Another thing that puts me off the ...Bg4 line at present is that even after the "mistake" 11 Bxf3?! the game is only a draw with best play (according to my analysis anyway).

And the final snag is that White can avoid the whole line, if he wants, with the move order 9 Be2!?
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
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Out of the country with no acces to my notes/books

Could you please contextualize the game in term sof previosu games? What is the new move?

Somehow, I have never liked the Bg4 variation. Too positional for a 4PA
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #21 - 05/03/10 at 23:16:29
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Check out the exciting game between GMs Bologan and Rozentalis in the latest TWIC. Perhaps this is another sign of a revival of the 4Ps at strong GM level? Normally Bologan plays 4 Nf3.

Note that Bologan played 9.Nf3 rather than 9.Be2, from which one might infer that he intended to answer 9...Be7 with 10 d5, possibly going for the line seen in Dominguez-Almeida 2005.

[Event "TOP 16 GpB"]
[Site "Mulhouse FRA"]
[Date "2010.05.01"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Bologan, V."]
[Black "Rozentalis, E."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B03"]
[WhiteElo "2684"]
[BlackElo "2628"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2010.03.26"]
[EventType "team"]
[EventRounds "11"]
[EventCountry "FRA"]
[Source "Mark Crowther"]
[SourceDate "2010.05.03"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. c4 Nb6 5. f4 dxe5 6. fxe5 Nc6 7. Be3 Bf5 8. Nc3
e6 9. Nf3 Bg4 10. Be2 Bxf3 11. gxf3 Qh4+ 12. Bf2 Qf4 13. c5 Nd5 14. Nxd5 exd5
15. Qd2 Qxd2+ 16. Kxd2 Ne7 17. Bb5+ c6 18. Bd3 g6 19. b4 Bh6+ 20. Kc3 Kd7 21.
b5 Rhc8 22. h4 b6 23. h5 Bf8 24. hxg6 hxg6 25. Rh7 Ke6 26. a4 Nf5 27. Bxf5+
gxf5 28. Rah1 cxb5 29. axb5 a6 30. c6 axb5 31. R1h6+ Bxh6 32. Rxh6+ f6 33.
Rxf6+ Ke7 34. Kb4 Ra1 35. Bh4 Rb1+ 36. Kc3 Rc1+ 37. Kd2 Rc4 38. Rd6+ Ke8 39.
Rxd5 R4xc6 40. Ke3 Rc3+ 41. Kf4 Rd3 42. e6 1-0
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #20 - 03/17/10 at 15:17:15
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Curious

A 4PA is being played in the Euro Championship, game
Savchenko-Narciso Dublan
and guess what?

Main line and 9...Qd7. Great!
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #19 - 03/11/10 at 13:55:41
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Ludde, Happy to help. As it happens, I went to amazon.de.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #18 - 03/10/10 at 16:09:57
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Alias wrote on 03/09/10 at 10:14:15:

Thank you Alias for the help. And you too Bibs, for being so understanding Wink
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #17 - 03/09/10 at 10:14:15
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Bookfinder is often useful for OOP books.

http://www.bookfinder.com/search/?author=Siebenhaar&title=aljechin&lang=de&isbn=...
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #16 - 03/09/10 at 10:00:02
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I don't know if Ludde is Swedish for Luddite.
But you could try 'the internet'. Worked for me.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #15 - 03/09/10 at 09:54:05
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Does anyone know how to get hold of those volumes today?
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #14 - 03/08/10 at 15:01:29
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I suspect lack of commercial success was the reason. The market for such a specialized work in German language must have been very small. If he only sold a few hundred units the project simply wasn't worth the effort.

Siebenhaar still does chess book publishing. He is a co-shareholder of Schachzentrale Rattmann / Schach Archiv, together Dreier and a woman. I guess they bought the company a few years after Rattmann Sen. retired. They've published brilliantly polished editions of classic works like My 60 Memorable Games, My System, The Middlegame. If you can read German their products are the best choice. Not half-assed paperback transformations from old notations. Usually hardcover, with nice layout and expensive paper.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #13 - 03/04/10 at 18:05:24
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I wonder what intervened.  Siebenhaar's mortality?  The men in white coats?

The history of Siebenhaar and his project would be interesting to know.
  
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Re: Four Pawns Attack in the Alekhine
Reply #12 - 03/04/10 at 10:46:17
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Well, to explain my previous post and any confusion
I might have started, I own Vol 2 of
the first edition (three authors) and the 2nd edition
of the 4PA.

I was not aware of the two editions.

Anyway, I think both are very good (of course, outdated, but in some cases, very up to date
when old lines are being "reborn").
  
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Reply #11 - 03/04/10 at 05:21:39
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The thick volumes were both divided in three parts, 1-3 and 4-6. The 2nd ed., according to Siebenhaar's foreword planned as six volumes with a total of about 2000 pages, started with part No. 3, the 4PA. But I believe that no more volumes were published.
  
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