I wish you a lot of crushing wins.

It does.

walkingterrapin wrote on 01/27/11 at 17:05:14:


Fedorov-Adams, EUchT 1997 is a famous one.
Salmensuu-Aleksandrov, Olympiade Istanbul 2000
Salmensuu-Nyysti, Helsinki 2002.
Furhoff-Vebel, Rilton Cup 1993.
There is more, but these seem the most important.

Which move is better though in the position, white having in Nc3 or black with d6?  I dont really know.  If that line is really that good I would like to know.

The Hanstein has been one of the holes in my KG rep for a long time.  Practically I have only played it once with a long draw where I was basically crushed and got lucky. 

Are you aware of any games with this line or something close?

And White can avoid all this trouble by simply leaving the bishop on f1, ie 3...d6 4.d4 g5 5.Nc3 with similar ideas plus the option to castle safely to the Queen's side ....

What about 5.....g4.  Seems like you are close to a Quade gambit here, but the idea of 6. Ne5 isnt available.  Only option is to play in Mason Gambit style a tempo down and play 6. Ng1 i guess.  I would be interested if 6. Bf4 is playable in that position. 

walkingterrapin wrote on 01/26/11 at 17:23:46:

Great. Now only if I can make you analyse, read my posts, do some research and apply the ideas then we might make some progress.
Black's best strategy is quick development: Nc6, Bh3, Qd7 and 0-0-0 in some move order. It's weird if a gambiteer doesn't recognize that Black can neglect material as well.

walkingterrapin wrote on 01/26/11 at 17:23:46:

That look at your board cannot have lasted long. This position is a transposition to 7.c3 (which you condemn) Nc6 8.g3 Bh3 9.Rf2 Qd7 10.gxf4 when Black has done extremely well with Nf6.
Granted, 10.Bb5 iso 10.c3 is better. Play is similar to that game Korchnoi-Malich I gave above. After 10.Bb5 0-0-0 Black is more than fine: safer King, better development while White's big centre is vulnerable. Even the pin is not dangerous as 11.d5? is answered with Qg4+ and White is dead meat after 12.Kh1 Bd4 13.Qe2 Nf6. So 11.Qd3 (poor Queen's Wing has to remain undeveloped: 11.Nc3? Qg4+ 12.Kh1 Nxd4) g4 (gxf4 and Nf6 also look good) 12.d5 gxf3 13.Qxf3 (13.Rxf3?? Bd4+ or 13.dxc6?? Qg4+) Nge7 14.dxc6 Nxc6 and for the dozenth time Black has the safer King and the better development.
So what remains?
10.d5 Qg4+ 11.Kh1 Bd4 also looks lame.
Given White's development problems I'd recommend 10.Nc3 idea g4 11.Ne5 giving White chances, so 10.Nc3 0-0-0 (did I tell you that I'm an unoriginal guy?) 11.d5 Nce7 12.fxg5 Ng6 with nice compensation. Even better might be 10.Nc3 gxf4 11.Bxf4 0-0-0 and Black will play Nf6 taking benefit of the open g-file. But at least White can complete development, so I'll give it a modest =+.

In case Black is not satisfied with this Black can change moveorder: 7.g3 Nc6 (haven't I mentioned this move before? Sure I have) 8.gxf4 Bh3 9.Rf2 is a dubious piece sac after g4 10.d5 Na5.

And White can avoid all this trouble by simply leaving the bishop on f1, ie 3...d6 4.d4 g5 5.Nc3 with similar ideas plus the option to castle safely to the Queen's side ....

walkingterrapin wrote on 01/26/11 at 16:26:27:


Please check the games I mentioned:

MNb wrote on 01/26/11 at 01:21:16:


Neither played the inferior 8...Bxf1; both played 8...Qd7!

After 7.g3 Bh3 8.gxf4 Bxf1 9.Qxf1 g4 possibly doesn't have enough, eg 10.Qg2 gxf3 11.Qxg7 Qf6.
Moreover I asked a question:

MNb wrote on 01/26/11 at 01:21:16:


I will give you another sample line, derived from that Nokes-Sarapu game: 7.g3 Nc6 8.gxf4 Bh3 9.fxg5 Qd7 (hxg5 with material equality, a lead in development for Black and a shaky kingside for White also looks good) 10.Rf2 Qg4+ (the safe approach is 10...0-0-0 11.Nc3 hxg5 with the same evaluation) 11.Kh1 Bxd4+ 12.Bxf7+ Kd8 13.Be6 Qh5 14.Rd2 Bxe6 15.Nxd4 Bg4 16.Qe1 Nxd4 17.Rxd4 hxg5 18.Qg3 Kd7 again with the same evaluation.
Positional advantages are more important than material. If White choses to selfdestruct his kingside with f2-f4 and g2-g3xf4xg5 Black should let him and reap the fruits.

Advise based on inferior moves (Bxf1) is bad indeed.

okay, so my 5.h4 is not unequivocally bad, perhaps I could be so bold as to venture a line as well. In for a penny, in for a pound, right?

How about reserving e7 for the queenside knight: 5...Nf6 6.Nc3 Nc6 7.d4 Nh5 8.Nd5 Ng3 9.Rh2 Ne7 and things get complicated, but it seems white has nothing better than to retreat his knight.