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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #11 - 01/14/11 at 09:37:09
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topandkas wrote on 12/29/10 at 17:23:58:
Thanks Kyle and Gambit!

@Gambit Can u tell me more about this opening? Never heard of it before! And is it sound?

It depends on how you would classify 'sound' I guess as so often the terms 'sound' and 'playable' are confused and misused (even by players of note).
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #10 - 01/12/11 at 13:23:27
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Thanks for the info.
  

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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #9 - 01/12/11 at 09:19:33
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Markovich wrote on 01/11/11 at 19:36:53:
Gambit wrote on 12/30/10 at 03:45:40:
Of course it is sound! I invented it myself. 

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I presume you have an improvement on 2.d4 cxd4 3.b4 e5 4.Nxe5 Bxb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qb3 Qe7 7.Nd3 Ba5 -/+, Zilbermints - VLT-fantonmen (whatever that latter is), ICC 2002. 

Neric wrote on 01/02/11 at 17:50:57:
The problem with 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4 is cxd4 3.Nxd4 d5 followed by e5. All that black has to know is that he must not allow the Bg5 pin, so he always has to play h6 before Nf6.

As a result white is a tempo up on a rather unpopular sideline of the "Grünfeld", so it is not clear if that is really a gain.


Exactly.  Black wants to trade his c-pawn for White's d-pawn.  If White wants to take up the gauntlet, his best way is 2.e4 with 3.d4 to follow.  Otherwise he can weasel around with 2.c4 and try to prove += after much machination, something I doubt he can do, though there are those here who are confident.

Here's some metatheory for you.  In general in chess, the more closed the position, the less the tempo is worth.  So 2.e4 must be a better move than 2.c4.  Facile perhaps, but worth consideration.


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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #8 - 01/11/11 at 19:36:53
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Gambit wrote on 12/30/10 at 03:45:40:
Of course it is sound! I invented it myself. 

Roll Eyes

I presume you have an improvement on 2.d4 cxd4 3.b4 e5 4.Nxe5 Bxb4+ 5.c3 dxc3 6.Qb3 Qe7 7.Nd3 Ba5 -/+, Zilbermints - VLT-fantonmen (whatever that latter is), ICC 2002. 

Neric wrote on 01/02/11 at 17:50:57:
The problem with 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4 is cxd4 3.Nxd4 d5 followed by e5. All that black has to know is that he must not allow the Bg5 pin, so he always has to play h6 before Nf6.

As a result white is a tempo up on a rather unpopular sideline of the "Grünfeld", so it is not clear if that is really a gain.


Exactly.  Black wants to trade his c-pawn for White's d-pawn.  If White wants to take up the gauntlet, his best way is 2.e4 with 3.d4 to follow.  Otherwise he can weasel around with 2.c4 and try to prove += after much machination, something I doubt he can do, though there are those here who are confident.

Here's some metatheory for you.  In general in chess, the more closed the position, the less the tempo is worth.  So 2.e4 must be a better move than 2.c4.  Facile perhaps, but worth consideration.
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #7 - 01/11/11 at 14:45:27
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Okay, can you post your games with 1 Nf3 c5 2 d4 cxd4 3 b4 here, TN?
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #6 - 01/02/11 at 21:47:22
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This line is examined for Black in Palliser's 'How to Play Against 1.d4'. I looked at it yesterday and I believe he recommends 3...d5, meeting 4.c4 with 4...e5 and 4.g3 with 4...e5 5.Nb3 Nc6 6.Bg2 Be6.

Gambit, I would play your gambit again, except that I would rather maintain my 100% record with 3.b4.
  

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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #5 - 01/02/11 at 17:50:57
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The problem with 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4 is cxd4 3.Nxd4 d5 followed by e5. All that black has to know is that he must not allow the Bg5 pin, so he always has to play h6 before Nf6.

As a result white is a tempo up on a rather unpopular sideline of the "Grünfeld", so it is not clear if that is really a gain.
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #4 - 12/30/10 at 03:45:40
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Of course it is sound! I invented it myself. Go on the Internet and type in Zilbermints Benoni. You will see articles I published in 1999-2000.
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #3 - 12/29/10 at 17:23:58
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Thanks Kyle and Gambit!

@Gambit Can u tell me more about this opening? Never heard of it before! And is it sound?
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #2 - 12/29/10 at 17:04:53
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1 Nf3 c5 2 d4 cxd4 3 b4! is the Zilbermints Benoni.
  
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Re: 1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
Reply #1 - 12/29/10 at 16:17:02
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I would think that the most standard move is 3...d5, as after 3...e5 White has 4. Nb5.  Plausibly enough, 3...d5 has been given in books as leading to equality.
  
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1.Nf3 c5 2.d4!?
12/29/10 at 15:12:32
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Hi, does anyone have any opinion on the following move order aiming for Grünfeld-like play with White:

1.Nf3 c5. 2.d4!?

I realise that Black can now play 2...cxd4 3.Nxd4 e5 and White will have to retreat his Knight to b3 (or f3) unlike in the Grünfeld where Black usually has ...Nxc6. However being White I wondered if the extra move can make up for this slight concession, rendering 4.Nb3, and the line starting from 1.Nf3 c5. 2.d4, possible!?
  
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