Hello.

I checked the 17.Bd2 move from my last pgn (post #483). The idea of the move is to put the bishop on it's probable best square and when black drives it away with e3, to try and win the e3 pawn at some point. It seems though that against the likely best way forward for black (Stefan Bücker's line from reply #487), white does not seem to have much.

If white takes the pawn quite early he can enter some rook versus bishop endgames but they all look very holdable.



Ametanoitos wrote on 01/13/16 at 07:08:33:

Simply put. Vague oneliners and talk about intuition is often not enough to convince people.

As you allude to you have analysed a bit. This is good. If you don't want to publish analysis it is very much ok.



Have a nice day.

Yes, that was the game.

Regarding the exact source, i am afraid not! Can you offer some help?

Confused_by_Theory wrote on 01/12/16 at 22:16:03:


You have the right of course not to take seriously my opinion, but you have to know that there is something called "intuition" and this has some value. Optically this position simply doesn't look nice for White as a main choice for a repertoire. It might be viable for a single game if you analyse it rather deeply. I analysed it a bit and found Black to be fine, but didn't want to start a big discussion about moves and variations because simply it doesn't look right (the line i mean)

As far as 4.d3 is concerned we had some analysis in a line which later was seen in a Caruana- Nakamura game and since then in a lot of other ones as well. No, it was not a full repertoire coverage though.

Breyer: In the book i wrote and it at the printer as i post this (out in a few weeks and before the end of the month at Forward Chess), the line that caused me the most problems was

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 d6 8. c3 O-O 9. h3 Nb8 10. d4 Nbd7 11. Nbd2 Bb7 12. Bc2 Re8 13. a4 Bf8 14. b3 without playing the bishop to d3 quickly.

Also Karpov's 13. Nf1 Bf8 14. Ng3 g6 15. Bg5 h6 16. Bd2 strikes me as a very easy and practical choice for White, maybe not to get an objective advantage, but the kind of line which you can fall back when a trendy theoretical line that is your first choice gets neutralised in a super-tournament. 

It appears unsurprising (thinking of some other very old stuff) that Black's Angriffswille kann glänzend durchdringen when White plays Bc4 followed by Ng5   

Hello.

Ametanoitos wrote on 01/12/16 at 18:22:42:

This premise is at the moment unsupported (something which makes it hard to take seriously) and vaguely defined (something that it shouldn't be).

Ametanoitos wrote on 01/12/16 at 18:22:42:

I'm fairly optimistic about's white chances in the 4.d3 line myself. It is what I play personally with good results. I am thus of course not in principle against a switch to a 4.d3 based repertoire

Considering that one ideally would like to put together this repertoire in full some day; one can ask what has been analysed after 4.d3? (referencing or reitteration is needed here) and if it is possible to make some kind of repertoire out of it? If the answers are little and not without much work then obviously there is some work cut out and an eventual finished repertoire would be a long way off.

In contrast after 4.Nc3 I would say a finished repertoire is not a long way of. This is provided we can settle for a line after 5...Nf6 (three have been suggested and at least four mentioned). The prospect of finishing some kind of repertoire in near time (and then ideally moving on) is basically why I at least am drawn to analysing 4.Nc3.

Ametanoitos wrote on 01/12/16 at 18:22:42:

I suggest starting parallell discussions to those already in progress if you have a new line you want to analyse. Such have been known to go on before in this thread and I don't see it negatively infuencing the project; unless the suggesting of new lines goes completely out of control, which I doubt. 

Obviously I would suggest the same for those that would like a 4.d3 repertoire in the Jaenisch.

Have a nice day.

Nah, this cannot be right for White.

In my opinion, the big problem for 3...f5 is 4.d3! We had analysed this here before and concluded that White is better. Why are we getting back to this i cannot really understand! Lets refute the Breyer instead! I have a coupld of ideas...

Hello.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 01/12/16 at 12:07:28:

Something like this seems fairly nice for white.

Stefan Buecker wrote on 01/12/16 at 12:07:28:

Agreed. Nontheless I can put in a few lines of analysis on the move into an eventual Jaenisch 5...Nf6 summary file.


Stefan Buecker wrote on 01/12/16 at 12:07:28:

Interesting. There is some amount of compensation for the piece should white take it and Bg4 is a natural move should it work. Will check this.

Have a nice day.